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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 01-30-2013, 02:54 PM
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All you guys complaining about BMW Nav should spend a little more time with Apple iPhone Maps app.

I have just updated my iPhone 5 to the latest iOS 6.1. I read that Apple had updated Maps as well as part of that upgrade.

I asked my iPhone to tell me my current location. It got my street name right but the CITY AND STATE were wrong. It said I was in a town in NY state (I'm in CT)! My BMW Nav has never done anything like that. (Also, my street name did not even exist in that NY town).

I reported this to Apple through their feedback mechanism.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:55 PM
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I agree the NAV sucks. When I travel, I put my Garmin Nuvi on the dash and use it since it gives me much better and more information. Like how fast I am really going and what the speed limit is on the road where I am driving. After owning all the Luxury brands, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes etc. the best in-car NAV system we have owned is in our Honda Pilot which we keep in Arizona at our winter home. Very easy to use voice controls and touch screen commands. Nuf said.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:04 PM
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I agree the NAV sucks. When I travel, I put my Garmin Nuvi on the dash and use it since it gives me much better and more information. Like how fast I am really going and what the speed limit is on the road where I am driving. <>
Use a Valentine One and you don't have to monitor how fast you're going
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:11 PM
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All you guys complaining about BMW Nav should spend a little more time with Apple iPhone Maps app.

I have just updated my iPhone 5 to the latest iOS 6.1. I read that Apple had updated Maps as well as part of that upgrade.

I asked my iPhone to tell me my current location. It got my street name right but the CITY AND STATE were wrong. It said I was in a town in NY state (I'm in CT)! My BMW Nav has never done anything like that. (Also, my street name did not even exist in that NY town).

I reported this to Apple through their feedback mechanism.
or just use the superior Google Maps app
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:29 PM
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I do have a Valentine 1, use it as well.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:35 PM
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Use a Valentine One and you don't have to monitor how fast you're going
This is offtopic, but V1 is a garbage radar detector Too many false positives, especially if you live in lare city. I prefer Escort 9500ix - it is less "sensitive", but it has awesome GPS-based "auto-learn" feature that can automatically "lock out" false signals so if you usually drive through same route every day - it won't react to same automatic door sensors or static "your current speed is..." display radars or toll booth/bridge equipment after you'll drive next to these things a few times or press the button on your detector to manually "lock out" the "false positive" signal. Plus (if you subscribe to Escort's database) it can warn you about upcoming traffic light camera or "speed trap" locations Much more useful product than V1 or Escort Redline for everyone living in a large populated urban area.

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:55 PM
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or just use the superior Google Maps app
I have been using that but tried using the updated Apple Maps to see if it appeared improved.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:58 PM
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This is offtopic, but V1 is a garbage radar detector Too many false positives, especially if you live in lare city. I prefer Escort 9500ix - it is less "sensitive", but it has awesome GPS-based "auto-learn" feature that can automatically "lock out" false signals so if you usually drive through same route every day - it won't react to same automatic door sensors or static "your current speed is..." display radars or toll booth/bridge equipment after you'll drive next to these things a few times or press the button on your detector to manually "lock out" the "false positive" signal. Plus (if you subscribe to Escort's database) it can warn you about upcoming traffic light camera or "speed trap" locations Much more useful product than V1 or Escort Redline for everyone living in a large populated urban area.
You took the bait. I specifically mentioned V1 just for fun. I was talking about any radar detector.

V1's Savvy solves most of the issues you mention. I'm able to tell my V1 to "quiet down" for all speeds below 45mph.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:50 PM
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V1's Savvy solves most of the issues you mention. I'm able to tell my V1 to "quiet down" for all speeds below 45mph.
The "Savvy" dongle doesn't do anything useful except lowering the volume at low speeds... It doesn't prevent radar detector from reacting to "false" signals, it won't show you red light/speed camera location or a potential "speed trap" location... But, whatever you think works for you I had V1 (it was a gift), I sold it after a month of usage because it was constantly detecting random **** (X/K/Ka-band alerts) every time I drove near some gas stations/certain stores/bridges/toll plazas on my way to/from work (near some of those locations my speed was usually higher than 45mph and sometimes actual cops were parking nearby with radars). So for me this radar detector was totally unusable.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:41 PM
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Interesting, how do you lower the volume for speeds lower than 45 mph?
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:45 PM
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Begin rant......From day one on the way back from Spartanburg I knew found BMW nav to be inferior to every other I have used. Even ten year old units. Latest example - a familiar route from Burlington Vermont to Portland Maine. I punched it in to see about what time i'd land and came up with a ridiculous eta. Zoomed out and saw it was routing me via one of the Boston beltways, I-495. Completely missed the shortest route across New Hampshire via limited access highways and tried to put me through a heavy traffic route. As soon as I turned onto the correct highway the eta dropped an hour. (Note I checked setting and was on fastest route).

So I bring it up to my SA pretty emphatically as this is not the first, second or tenth time. Once I dialed in hotel address and ended up in rural gravel pits. Call the hotel and the desk clerk says "oh, you must have a BMW"! Of course there is nothing SA can do to fix but then she says the process is for me to make a detailed report of each incident and send it to the map software company! Like they are going to fix all the issues by a suggestion box approach. End of rant.

Like some of you mentioned on prior threads I now use a cheap, old Garmin when going into uncharted territory. It works almost flawlessly.

As a road warrior a good nav is important enough to me that I will pay closer attention to the underlying software next time I go car shopping. This setup of an old garmin on the dash is a joke. BMW ought to do a goodwill software upgrade.

Okay, this is really the end of the rant.
Its back to the map provider. Teleatlas now Tom Tom. Before BMW changed map providers, nav teq did a much better job.

The good news is that BMW are returning to nav teq for map data although it remains to be seen if they will provide map data for the old navigation system in the current x5.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:57 PM
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Interesting, how do you lower the volume for speeds lower than 45 mph?
You're talking about V1? You need to buy a "Savvy" dongle which plugs into your car's OBD port (to monitor your speed) and which interacts with your V1:
http://www.valentine1.com/savvy/
Very crude, inelegant "band-aid" fix, typical for Valentine products
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:14 PM
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I saw this while browsing on the youtube review on Mercedes A class.

At 1:35, it talks about a full integration with iphone. If I understand this correctly, you can use your phone to navigate. I am not sure if you can use google apps to do so. This is what car integration should be about. It would certainly improve up on the BMW navigation if I can use google map apps. So far, Google map has proven equally good to my Garmin. Garmin wins because not everywhere has internet access. Google wins because I can search where to go and navigate directly to it.

I am hoping that this feature will be copied from Mercedes to BMW.

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Old 02-02-2013, 06:55 PM
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This is offtopic, but V1 is a garbage radar detector
outdated technology and outdated unit. interferes with majority of new car features and you must disable pop to avoid false alarms. unfortunately if you are in an area that uses pop you just purchased a $400 windshield ornament.

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Be thankful you don't own an Audi. I had a 2012 Q5 Premium + and the map data was over 5 years old. I called Audi every month begging for an update and just got the runaround. The BMW nave on my '12 X5 hasn't failed me once yet.
mmi-3g and 3g+ data was from April 2011... definitely not 5 years old. this past month a map/firmware update was finally made available for mmi-2g navigation which is found in older audis with mmi but definitely not a 2012 Q5. which version did you have on yours? if you had the mmi-3g i would wager 5.4.7 if you are mmi-3g+ then you had google maps data and other updated information, no way it was five years old.

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Update: spoke w/salesman who assured me nav was updated and provided copy of work order which states update nav maps for delivery of vehicle and shows 2.00 hrs labor. How is this possible car still shows version 1.4.4 2009-2??
i am curious to know what the latest and greatest firmware version is for 2010+ idrive units and map version.

is there anything newer than 112093.2.19?

if anybody has the information off-hand please let me know.

thanks.

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Old 02-02-2013, 07:26 PM
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You're talking about V1? You need to buy a "Savvy" dongle which plugs into your car's OBD port (to monitor your speed) and which interacts with your V1:
http://www.valentine1.com/savvy/
Very crude, inelegant "band-aid" fix, typical for Valentine products
Wow, you're a real know-it-all. The V1 has served me VERY well. I have not had a single ticket while I've had it. You used one for one month. I have used one for 16 years. I think I know a little bit more about what a useful product it is...
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:53 PM
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Wow, you're a real know-it-all. The V1 has served me VERY well. I have not had a single ticket while I've had it. You used one for one month. I have used one for 16 years. I think I know a little bit more about what a useful product it is...
Question, since you seem to have 16 years of experience.

Does the V1 give you a false positive when used with onboard radar based active or passive safety systems from audi or Mb?

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All you guys complaining about BMW Nav should spend a little more time with Apple iPhone Maps app.

I have just updated my iPhone 5 to the latest iOS 6.1. I read that Apple had updated Maps as well as part of that upgrade.

I asked my iPhone to tell me my current location. It got my street name right but the CITY AND STATE were wrong. It said I was in a town in NY state (I'm in CT)! My BMW Nav has never done anything like that. (Also, my street name did not even exist in that NY town).

I reported this to Apple through their feedback mechanism.
I completely agree that a four figure, GPS Navigation, purpose built unit, with access to a huge DB, built by a company whose sole purpose of operation is to provide Navigation data is better than a $199 smartPHONE, with only A-GPS, and a free app built by a software company inexperienced in navigation, but amazing at programming and hardware design.



Apples to Oranges.....
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:52 AM
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also pointing out that there are worse/inferior products that are not related is not a very strong rebuttal for a 'buggy' automobile navigation unit.
if somebody complained that the x5 ride was harsh i would not say you should take a ride in a horse drawn carriage.
either way even going back to the mk3/mk4 navigation units bmw never really got the maps right in rural areas. in big cities i never had an issue but once you went into the country that's where a few issues would pop up.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:44 PM
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There's a number of you that need to lighten up in this thread. This is my last post in it.

I already explained that mentioning the V1 (where I could have just said "radar detector") was just in fun.

My post on the Apple Maps glitch was not intended to imply that it was a "real competitor" to a dedicated Garmin nuvi (of which I have two in other family cars). I wish we had a Garmin quality unit in the BMW.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:40 PM
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Try Apple Maps -- nearly put me in the Hudson river.
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Try Apple Maps -- nearly put me in the Hudson river.
Fact remains that a $99 Garmin unit has more accurate information and routing than the BMW system.

BMW needs to return to the Navteq database.

NAVTEQ
Used by Garmin, Magellan, MapQuest, Bing, Navigon, and Yahoo Maps

Tele Atlas
Used by Mio and Tom Tom

I suspect BMW, being quite Euro-centric, went with TeleAtlas as they have better European information.

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Fact remains that a $99 Garmin unit has more accurate information and routing than the BMW system.

BMW needs to return to the Navteq database.

NAVTEQ
Used by Garmin, Magellan, MapQuest, Bing, Navigon, and Yahoo Maps

Tele Atlas
Used by Mio and Tom Tom

I suspect BMW, being quite Euro-centric, went with TeleAtlas as they have better European information.
Simpler solution.....

Leave the existing offline database intact, and augment google earth capabilities on top of the Off db.
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I had it tell me to make a u-turn, as I was making the uturn and looked up..It said no uturn whoops
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Simpler solution.....

Leave the existing offline database intact, and augment google earth capabilities on top of the Off db.

Even simpler solution...

Plug-in my $120 Garmin 50LM and use it on trips.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:30 AM
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iPhone + Waze app (free). Real time traffic, multiple routing options and very accurate maps in 3d.
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