2013-2014 Diesel Preview

Audi A7 TDI or Cayenne TDI will be my next car.

Chris go at him LOL he's another MURLANDER LOL. That is so true AUDI has exceptional cars but the lack of stick does influence others to buy them, BMW will not bring a 6 cyl DIESEL with manual tranny, that said, wait for the new 20d and MAYBE you will see the manual tranny!!

Originally Posted by TTG

Love diesel cars, spent ton of time in Europe driving them but I refuse to pay more for diesel than gasoline period.....

Europeans an others drive diesel cars mainly due to savings and tax breaks.... Unfortunately, we do not get such savings in the US and end up paying more for diesel cars and more for diesel itself.

I am glad they are trying to become more popular but the probability of electric cars catching up is much greater than diesels. US simply missed the whole diesel eara IMO.

I hope one day diesel will be much cheaper than unleaded on our side of the pond

Ya. BMW paid big $$ for access to Toyota hybrid technology. In the US it will only be hybrid and EV. Diesel cars are unlikely. BMW really doesn't want the TDi buyer. Different price point and mind set entirely .

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Agree that BMW really is not courting the diesel buyer. They pretty well have left that to VW which is very diesel oriented. Mercedes is of course still a major diesel player here and will be even moreso down the road. Both VW and MB have a solid following of oiler fans built over the years. BMW not so much. I still see many old MB and VW diesels on the road here (no salt -- cars last longer) and they just keep running along.

Is there anything definitive from BMWNA that the 320d will NOT be offered in the US with a manual tranny? If this is the case, I may well consider an A6 or A7 Diesel if it can be had with a manual tranny. I've had my Audi for about 3 weeks now and I can't believe how much more fun it is driving a manual again. I know that the modern dual clutch trannies are a bit faster but for me there is no better enjoyment than rowing your own gears while driving the backroad twisties. On another note I was able to pass on most of my accessories to another 335d owner from Maryland.

3 liter clean Diesel which (I believe) will be offered in the US is not available in manual in Europe; manual is available only with the weakest 3 liter 204 PS diesel

Originally Posted by kanar200

... manual is available only with the weakest 3 liter 204 PS diesel

That engine is no longer available on any BMW.

The 3L '30d' engine used in the F10 is available in a manual.

The information shared by BMW insiders indicates that a 320d 8 spd auto will be available in N America this year. I suppose we will hear more at the Detroit Auto Show.

it referred to AUDI diesels and not BMW (see rmorin49 post), BMW had never offered 3 liter diesel 204 PS in 5 series

I was thinking of the engine in the 123d- not a 6 banger, so I was mistaken.

Originally Posted by d geek

That engine is no longer available on any BMW.

The 3L '30d' engine used in the F10 is available in a manual.

The information shared by BMW insiders indicates that a 320d 8 spd auto will be available in N America this year. I suppose we will hear more at the Detroit Auto Show.

Surely a 6 speed manual could handle the torque of the 4 pot diesel?

Originally Posted by rmorin49

Surely a 6 speed manual could handle the torque of the 4 pot diesel?

No doubt, but since they need to pay for certification of each drivetrain, and they're not sure what the take rate of the small diesel will be, they've evidently decided to bring over the 8spd auto first since they've determined that the market will want this more.

Originally Posted by d geek

The 3L '30d' engine used in the F10 is available in a manual.

I can confirm that, drive one myself. Fantastic engine that actually works really nice with a manual. Though not possible to get 330d Xdrive and MT, so you have to make a trade-off there

Originally Posted by rmorin49

Is there anything definitive from BMWNA that the 320d will NOT be offered in the US with a manual tranny? If this is the case, I may well consider an A6 or A7 Diesel if it can be had with a manual tranny. I've had my Audi for about 3 weeks now and I can't believe how much more fun it is driving a manual again. I know that the modern dual clutch trannies are a bit faster but for me there is no better enjoyment than rowing your own gears while driving the backroad twisties. On another note I was able to pass on most of my accessories to another 335d owner from Maryland.

Audi doesn't offer A6 or A7 petrol engines with manuals here, what makes you think they would offer MT with diesels?

Originally Posted by 01Byte

I just don't understand why BMW refuses to offer a manual transmission for any of the diesel cars.

And I just don't understand why anybody would confess that in public. BMW is a very savvy company, and generally manages pretty well to balance their sporty and progressive reputation with their bottom line.

rejoice!

BMW also plans to introduce three new diesel models to the U.S. in 2013, in addition to the highly successful BMW X5 35d, which reported a sales increase of 39% last year to over 10,000 vehicles (10,276). The 4-cylinder diesel will premiere in the 3 Series Sedan and Touring and the new 6-cylinder diesel will make its debut in the 5 Series. For the first time ever in the U.S., diesel AWD will be offered in the BMW 5 Series.

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So no more 6 cyl 3 series . In that case my next car in 2-3 yrs will be 320d hopefully coupe

Originally Posted by bimmerdiesel

So no more 6 cyl 3 series . In that case my next car in 2-3 yrs will be 320d hopefully coupe

The above is only what they are bringing this year. No telling if the 6 cyl will be available in the 3er next year or not.

Having driven in europe, I can't figure why there aren't more diesel 4-banger cars coming out in standard. The mileage [and reliability for most part] is significantly better than auto so that should be one of the biggest starters for it. If I wanted to double clutch something Ild go for something bigger, I mean my VW can do that now -if I abso need it to!
As for having to worry about constantly having to shift in slow traffic [including Soccer Moms], I can't see you know how to drive stick really! Yes my Jetta is a mid-size but the quality is there! Everything works and the quality's there so what's to look for beside's a brand? With the diesel it's as simple as just using the clutch. It WILL start off and crawl in 2nd!!
A best example is the new Ford Util Cargo Van Ford brought over this way fm Europe, all the trades used the std there because of it's mileage and what does Ford do? They only offer it in auto! So what did they gain? Not sure but do know it's not selling as well or could be.. for that reason alone!! Do they think no one this side of the Atlantic can drive stick?

Originally Posted by GMMCKEL

...The mileage [and reliability for most part] is significantly better than auto so that should be one of the biggest starters for it....

Not so-
bmw.com shows better fuel economy for the 8AT vs 6MT

The emissions certification is why they do not bring as many sticks -- along with the fact that they just do not sell here. The new diesel Ford Transit van/panel truck is arriving here because of the success M-B/Dodge had with their Sprinter.

MY14 'd availability

My prediction for 2013 Diesel Driver car of the year: 535d