Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)

F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
The new chapter in the highly successful story of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) and wagon (F11)

View Poll Results: HVAC fan button worn out/peeling what is the solution?
replace the button 42 48.28%
take apart the whole console and replace the entire HVAC face plate 45 51.72%
Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #176  
Old 02-02-2013, 10:09 AM
dbs600 dbs600 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New York, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,387
Mein Auto: 2011 750LXi Individual
I too have to say the HVAC system in my car is the best I've ever experienced; I almost always leave it on mid-range auto at 70 and the temperature and fan speed is always perfect! If cold out, I dial up to 84 and if hot out down to 60. I never shut off the compressor (it's double switched anyway, knowing when and when not to engage). I also have climate comfort glass.

Last edited by dbs600; 02-02-2013 at 10:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #177  
Old 02-02-2013, 10:42 AM
markl53's Avatar
markl53 markl53 is offline
bimmerfest Supporting Member
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,233
Mein Auto: 2011 535i
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbs600 View Post
If cold out, I dial up to 84 and if hot out down to 60.
Moving the temperature manually to very hot or cold will not affect heating/cooling speed. The system will automatically utilize max cold or heat as needed (along with faster fan speeds) to bring the cabin to the set temperature as quickly as possible. The air temperature, and fan speed, will moderate automatically as the cabin reaches that point.
__________________
BMW-CCA
Bimmerfest Supporting Member



2014 535i Individual | Azurite Black/Amaro Brown Merino | Premium | Cold | PDC | Rear Camera | Anthracite Hdr
Prior: 2011 535i AT | Black Sapphire/Cinnamon | Premium | Heated Sts | Nav | Sirius | Anthracite Hdr & Trim
Prior: 2008 335i 6MT Sedan | Black Sapphire/Terra Leather | Premium | Cold | CA | OEM Alarm
Prior: 2005 330i 6MT | Black Sapphire/Sand Leather | Premium | Cold | UGO | OEM Alarm

Last edited by markl53; 02-02-2013 at 10:43 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #178  
Old 02-02-2013, 02:19 PM
dbs600 dbs600 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New York, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,387
Mein Auto: 2011 750LXi Individual
Quote:
Originally Posted by markl53 View Post
Moving the temperature manually to very hot or cold will not affect heating/cooling speed. The system will automatically utilize max cold or heat as needed (along with faster fan speeds) to bring the cabin to the set temperature as quickly as possible. The air temperature, and fan speed, will moderate automatically as the cabin reaches that point.
Exactly; I rarely change the fan/blower speed and most always leave it on mid-range auto, where the system does the rest. One of the few positives that has really exceeded my expectations (better than my experience with Mercedes-Benz, Land Rover and Lexus).
Reply With Quote
  #179  
Old 02-02-2013, 04:07 PM
K-A's Avatar
K-A K-A is offline
Dark Knight
Location: U.S
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,535
Mein Auto: '13 BMW 535i M Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by markl53 View Post
Even though the "AC", or snowflake, button is lit, the system will not run the compressor below a certain ambient temperature. You can leave the button "on" all the time. Also, in heating season, the air can be moist, causing windows to fog. Leaving the compressor engaged will dry the air and avoid window fogging, even without the use of the defogger setting for heavy windshield fog. In fact, I never run the defrost function specifically, never find the need. In some fog-producing weather, I do take manual control of the fan, and possibly air distribution mode (floor + windshield), to ensure sufficient air movement in the cabin to keep the windows clear. Don't you often see cars with fogged windows in cold weather? Actually, more often than not, they are "lower class" cars that I notice. The drivers obviously don't know to turn on their compressor even when using heat. Another observation you may not have noticed on many climate systems -- as the cabin temperature moderates in cooler weather, the air delivery vents usually switch automatically to floor/windshield to deliver some cooler air toward the upper part of the cabin. By using the windshield vents, the system can avoid blowing cool air directly at the occupants while maintaining an overall comfortable setting.

However, if you are doing the fresh air "vent" thing, then yes, I turn off the snowflake. In that case I usually go to full manual to avoid the fan blowing faster and faster, trying to cool the car (if it's hot outside).
Great info. Okay, so the system is smart enough to know when to apply the compressor even when A/C is on, good to know. So you guys are saying that on a BMW, having the compressor on at all times robs absolutely NO power and MPG (like it does on pretty much any "normal car")?

Oh, and what does the "A" and "M" mean on the air-recycle button. I figure "Auto" and "Manual", but does it basically mean that it'll figure out for itself when to recycle the cabins air (as opposed to bringing in outside air) if you have it clicked to "A"?
Reply With Quote
  #180  
Old 02-02-2013, 04:11 PM
cordoor's Avatar
cordoor cordoor is online now
cor door sedan
Location: Utah
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 844
Mein Auto: 2013 550i xDrive
Quote:
Originally Posted by K-A View Post
Oh, and what does the "A" and "M" mean on the air-recycle button. I figure "Auto" and "Manual", but does it basically mean that it'll figure out for itself when to recycle the cabins air (as opposed to bringing in outside air) if you have it clicked to "A"?
Yes. A means it will automatically decide when to recycle the cabin air. M means it is recycling the cabin air because you told it to.

-Corey
Reply With Quote
  #181  
Old 02-02-2013, 08:23 PM
markl53's Avatar
markl53 markl53 is offline
bimmerfest Supporting Member
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,233
Mein Auto: 2011 535i
Quote:
Originally Posted by cordoor View Post
Yes. A means it will automatically decide when to recycle the cabin air. M means it is recycling the cabin air because you told it to.

-Corey
Pretty much. However, even in "no" mode (neither LED lit), the recirculation mode will be enabled "silently" if maximum cooling is needed. The "A" position is supposed to detect "noxious" fumes and the like, and turn on the recirc mode by itself.
__________________
BMW-CCA
Bimmerfest Supporting Member



2014 535i Individual | Azurite Black/Amaro Brown Merino | Premium | Cold | PDC | Rear Camera | Anthracite Hdr
Prior: 2011 535i AT | Black Sapphire/Cinnamon | Premium | Heated Sts | Nav | Sirius | Anthracite Hdr & Trim
Prior: 2008 335i 6MT Sedan | Black Sapphire/Terra Leather | Premium | Cold | CA | OEM Alarm
Prior: 2005 330i 6MT | Black Sapphire/Sand Leather | Premium | Cold | UGO | OEM Alarm
Reply With Quote
  #182  
Old 02-02-2013, 08:25 PM
markl53's Avatar
markl53 markl53 is offline
bimmerfest Supporting Member
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,233
Mein Auto: 2011 535i
Quote:
Originally Posted by K-A View Post
Great info. Okay, so the system is smart enough to know when to apply the compressor even when A/C is on, good to know. So you guys are saying that on a BMW, having the compressor on at all times robs absolutely NO power and MPG (like it does on pretty much any "normal car")?
I'm not sure anyone said running the compressor won't affect engine output. I believe it will. However, and even your MB worked this way, German cars use variable output compressors -- you won't hear the constant clicking on and off that other cars do. Basically, the compressor clutch is engaged once just after the car is started, and it is engaged all the time after that (when snowflake button is "on", and except for very cold ambient temps mentioned earlier).

Quote:
Oh, and what does the "A" and "M" mean on the air-recycle button. I figure "Auto" and "Manual", but does it basically mean that it'll figure out for itself when to recycle the cabins air (as opposed to bringing in outside air) if you have it clicked to "A"?
See responses above.
__________________
BMW-CCA
Bimmerfest Supporting Member



2014 535i Individual | Azurite Black/Amaro Brown Merino | Premium | Cold | PDC | Rear Camera | Anthracite Hdr
Prior: 2011 535i AT | Black Sapphire/Cinnamon | Premium | Heated Sts | Nav | Sirius | Anthracite Hdr & Trim
Prior: 2008 335i 6MT Sedan | Black Sapphire/Terra Leather | Premium | Cold | CA | OEM Alarm
Prior: 2005 330i 6MT | Black Sapphire/Sand Leather | Premium | Cold | UGO | OEM Alarm
Reply With Quote
  #183  
Old 07-21-2013, 12:40 PM
dbs600 dbs600 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New York, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,387
Mein Auto: 2011 750LXi Individual
This is happening to my control panel again!!!

Has BMW come out with revised buttons that don't wear out yet!?

Has anyone had theirs replaced a SECOND time??

Last edited by dbs600; 07-21-2013 at 12:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #184  
Old 07-21-2013, 01:20 PM
Ace535i's Avatar
Ace535i Ace535i is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: USA, Pacific Time
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,369
Mein Auto: I'm still dreaming....
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbs600 View Post
This is happening to my control panel again!!!

Has BMW come out with revised buttons that don't wear out yet!?

Has anyone had theirs replaced a SECOND time??
What is the problem?
Reply With Quote
  #185  
Old 07-21-2013, 01:29 PM
Sophisto Sophisto is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Netherlands
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,067
Mein Auto: F11 530D
There really is no problem, do not change your settings, put everything on auto at one time and enjoy the ride.
Reply With Quote
  #186  
Old 07-21-2013, 02:03 PM
dbs600 dbs600 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New York, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,387
Mein Auto: 2011 750LXi Individual
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace535i View Post
What is the problem?
The buttons are wearing out; the icons / graphics becoming distorted...
Reply With Quote
  #187  
Old 07-21-2013, 02:46 PM
Ace535i's Avatar
Ace535i Ace535i is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: USA, Pacific Time
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,369
Mein Auto: I'm still dreaming....
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbs600 View Post
The buttons are wearing out; the icons / graphics becoming distorted...
There was a blogger on this site who had the same problem on his relatively new 535i.

He and bmwna made an arrangement to resolve his similar complaint.

Unbelievable how the lettering peels of the buttons!
Reply With Quote
  #188  
Old 07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
Nyc2sd30 Nyc2sd30 is offline
Registered User
Location: San Diego CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 34
Mein Auto: 2010 335i
Worn out buttons, WTF?

Just got mine replaced. Two buttons worn out.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
__________________


E90 MSport/ F10 535i / F32 435i M-Sport - BMW Specialist at The Millionaire Car Club
Reply With Quote
  #189  
Old 07-21-2013, 03:52 PM
dbs600 dbs600 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New York, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,387
Mein Auto: 2011 750LXi Individual
Anyone have this happen twice?
Reply With Quote
  #190  
Old 07-21-2013, 09:40 PM
K-A's Avatar
K-A K-A is offline
Dark Knight
Location: U.S
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,535
Mein Auto: '13 BMW 535i M Sport
Re: Worn out buttons, WTF?

What bs. BMW makes such a refined car but letters the buttons in a way where they can peel thus make the car look like a premature hooptie. Nice.
__________________
'13 F10 BMW 535i Sport : Jet Black/Black-Anthracite : Premium & Technology Packages/Sport Auto Trans/Camera/Park Distance Control/Heated Seats/Tinted Windows/Blacked Out Markers/Performance Spoiler.

Ex M-B's: '11/'10/'06 E350's w/ AMG Sport Package, '02 S500 w/ Every Option.
Reply With Quote
  #191  
Old 07-22-2013, 05:51 AM
lindros2 lindros2 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: The Ghetto Hood
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 455
Mein Auto: BMW
My 2013 has button wear issues more severe than my 2011. The 2011 was bad, this is worse.

I recall two years ago that hand sanitizer or cream would prematurely wear out the buttons.

QUESTION: What are the little "grilles" under the buttons on the 2011/2012?

On the 2013, it's been replaced with a tiny 'button' (light sensor?).
Reply With Quote
  #192  
Old 07-22-2013, 06:05 AM
K-A's Avatar
K-A K-A is offline
Dark Knight
Location: U.S
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,535
Mein Auto: '13 BMW 535i M Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by lindros2 View Post
My 2013 has button wear issues more severe than my 2011. The 2011 was bad, this is worse.

I recall two years ago that hand sanitizer or cream would prematurely wear out the buttons.

QUESTION: What are the little "grilles" under the buttons on the 2011/2012?

On the 2013, it's been replaced with a tiny 'button' (light sensor?).
Welp. That sucks. Due to all this I use the backs of my fingers usually when I press buttons. I also wonder what those grilles were on the earlier models and the newer "dots" are.

I wrote this on the other Forum so if what you say is true, that would answer that:

I wonder if on 2013's they finally implemented a new way to re-dye the buttons to prevent this from happening at all. There is a member somewhere that "thought" his newer F10 had different/higher quality buttons than his earlier one (though I think they were from maybe the same MY, just different build dates, or maybe they were in fact a year apart from each other). I sat in a 2011 F10 recently and thought the buttons seemed more "glossy" than my 2013's which are nicely matte. Though maybe that was due to poor maintenance by the previous owner thus wearing the buttons out.
Reply With Quote
  #193  
Old 07-31-2013, 05:37 PM
guitar1969 guitar1969 is offline
Registered User
Location: SoCal California, USA
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 61
Mein Auto: 2011 BMW 535i Sport
My 2011 535i has a wearing out Start/Stop Ignition button. Not a big deal, but looks a bit cheesy. My car is in for service right now due to other issuers. If I mentioned it to my service advisor, should I expect them to replace it under warranty. Can't see how the ignition button can start wearing out so quickly.
Reply With Quote
  #194  
Old 07-31-2013, 05:48 PM
Nyc2sd30 Nyc2sd30 is offline
Registered User
Location: San Diego CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 34
Mein Auto: 2010 335i
Worn out buttons, WTF?

Quote:
Originally Posted by guitar1969 View Post
My 2011 535i has a wearing out Start/Stop Ignition button. Not a big deal, but looks a bit cheesy. My car is in for service right now due to other issuers. If I mentioned it to my service advisor, should I expect them to replace it under warranty. Can't see how the ignition button can start wearing out so quickly.
You'll never know until you ask. I got remarkably little resistance when I brought up the ac buttons to my SA.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
__________________


E90 MSport/ F10 535i / F32 435i M-Sport - BMW Specialist at The Millionaire Car Club
Reply With Quote
  #195  
Old 07-31-2013, 07:01 PM
markl53's Avatar
markl53 markl53 is offline
bimmerfest Supporting Member
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,233
Mein Auto: 2011 535i
Quote:
Originally Posted by lindros2 View Post
QUESTION: What are the little "grilles" under the buttons on the 2011/2012?

On the 2013, it's been replaced with a tiny 'button' (light sensor?).
I thought cabin air enters those slots for monitoring the cabin air temperature. Pretty sure most auto HVAC systems use that method as feedback loop.
__________________
BMW-CCA
Bimmerfest Supporting Member



2014 535i Individual | Azurite Black/Amaro Brown Merino | Premium | Cold | PDC | Rear Camera | Anthracite Hdr
Prior: 2011 535i AT | Black Sapphire/Cinnamon | Premium | Heated Sts | Nav | Sirius | Anthracite Hdr & Trim
Prior: 2008 335i 6MT Sedan | Black Sapphire/Terra Leather | Premium | Cold | CA | OEM Alarm
Prior: 2005 330i 6MT | Black Sapphire/Sand Leather | Premium | Cold | UGO | OEM Alarm
Reply With Quote
  #196  
Old 09-24-2013, 09:44 AM
jfandl jfandl is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: florida
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 11
Mein Auto: Rx7 Twin Turbo
Wink Not a Button defect

Everyone points out that it's a poorly designed button or cheap materials but I don't believe that to be the case at all.

Do the simple test. Take your beverage of choice and get in your BMW and drive. Now try to push the fan button to change the fan speed. Notice anything? Your beverage is in the way and you have to bend your finger around it, effectively pushing the button with your finger nail scratching it. Do this enough times and the image wears off.

The drink holder is the problem because of poor design.

Suggested work arounds:

Keep your beverage in the passenger side holder
Put a clear piece of film over the button (once the warranty is up, no one will want to pay to replace the console just because of a worn off icon)
Reply With Quote
  #197  
Old 09-24-2013, 01:18 PM
X3emist's Avatar
X3emist X3emist is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NW Georgia USA
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,311
Mein Auto: 06 X3 Sport
Or, get a warranty replacement or 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfandl View Post
Everyone points out that it's a poorly designed button or cheap materials but I don't believe that to be the case at all.

Do the simple test. Take your beverage of choice and get in your BMW and drive. Now try to push the fan button to change the fan speed. Notice anything? Your beverage is in the way and you have to bend your finger around it, effectively pushing the button with your finger nail scratching it. Do this enough times and the image wears off.

The drink holder is the problem because of poor design.

Suggested work arounds:

Keep your beverage in the passenger side holder
Put a clear piece of film over the button (once the warranty is up, no one will want to pay to replace the console just because of a worn off icon)
Or, get a warranty replacement or 2. They pay to replace enough of them and they will fix the design!!!
__________________
2006 X3 Silver Grey/Black Lthr/Alum Trim/Sport Prem Pkg/Xenons/Servotronic/Prem Sound/Satellite Radio/Heated Seats/Carbon Fiber Pillars/Blue Tooth/Aux In/Cargo Net/Aluminum Pedals/V1 Hardwired
[SIGPIC]
Reply With Quote
  #198  
Old 10-29-2013, 03:48 PM
Sea535 Sea535 is offline
Registered User
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 17
Mein Auto: 535i
Just got my car back from service and had them replace the climate control buttons under warranty on my 2011 535i.

My invoice shows a "Repair Kit for Button":

61-31-9-313-923 - List $73.52 (Tischer $58.82)

Finally a cheaper alternative if/when this happens again out of warranty!!


Edit:
There are three part numbers for this depending on your setup. Same listed price for all three:

1: 61-31-9-313-922
2: 61-31-9-313-923
3: 61-31-9-313-924


Last edited by Sea535; 10-29-2013 at 04:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #199  
Old 10-29-2013, 05:19 PM
Fastpaddler Fastpaddler is offline
Fastpaddler
Location: Vancouver Island,Canada
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 778
Mein Auto: 2011 BMW528i
Quote:
Originally Posted by GHOST PROTOCOL View Post
My NAV screen somehow became scratched after only having my F10 for a few months. My dealer, who is very customer oriented, agreed to change out the NAV screen under warranty with a brand new NAV screen. I am sure this involved taking the dash apart. My dealer did a fantastic job. You can not tell that the dash was taken apart, everything went back together perfectly, and there are no rattling noises. If my HVAC buttons started to wear out like TJ's, I would not hesitate to request that the dealer make the appropriate repair.

Also, a buddy of mine accepted delivery of his F10 even though BMW used the wrong trim on his M Sport. The dealer (same as my dealer) swapped out the trim and the vehicle looks like nothing was ever taken apart and put back together.

iMPRESSIVE! We need more dealers like yours. Mine is fine but they just shrugged and the warrantee manager said my rubbed off Nav screen coating was not a part of the warrantee. What a lousy reply. BMW needs to improve their customer service at THEIR corporate level because the imports are closing in with better quality and, good quality interiors. THe Nappa leather is better than Dakota and I concur with the OP on this one. No excuse for a button wearing out in one year. In 2 years my driver side bolster is fading and the left boster side lost its colour a while back. Cadilllac is working to improve it's cars and MB is cashing in on front drive A type econo models including their C class which is pretty but not yet up to the 3 series handling.

Al
Reply With Quote
  #200  
Old 05-08-2014, 09:57 PM
RUBENVA RUBENVA is offline
Registered User
Location: Centreville, VA
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1
Mein Auto: 535xi
Fixed

Hello Everyone, I'm happy to join the BMW family. I just bought a 2011 535xi and like so many others, my AC and Radio buttons were messed up. I negotiated with the dealer to replace them as part of my deal, however to my surprise the service center fixed every single button while troubleshooting a bluetooth issue. I didn't even ask and they said it was covered under warranty. The fact that the sales person didn't know this was covered under warranty makes me believe others may not know as well. So if you're still under the original warranty, take it in.

I look forward to many more post and meeting some of you as I fall deeper in love with my 5 series.

Have a great day everyone!

Ruben
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms