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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 02-02-2013, 03:07 PM
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It's frozen, it won't start!

So last week the temperature was -30 to -40 in northern Alberta, now the car won't wont start! I tried boosting it and now luck. Is it possible that it's that frozen?

It warmed up yesterday to -15 tried to boost it again but nothing fired up.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:00 PM
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So last week the temperature was -30 to -40 in northern Alberta, now the car won't wont start! I tried boosting it and now luck. Is it possible that it's that frozen?

It warmed up yesterday to -15 tried to boost it again but nothing fired up.
If your coolant ratio wasn't right it is possible. But that wouldn't prevent the engine from turning over. If your engine were cranking slowly I would say maybe your oil grade was too high, but you are undoubtedly running synthetic so that shouldn't be a problem.

Likely your battery. Be careful if you jump the battery then attempt to charge the battery from only the alternator, as then you will be putting a lot of stress on the alternator as it recharges the battery.

If you can, remove the battery from the car and get it into an auto store to be tested. If good then put it on a trickle charger until it is fully charged. If it is bad then replace it. Then reinstall it and you should be good to go.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:36 PM
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If your coolant ratio wasn't right it is possible. But that wouldn't prevent the engine from turning over. If your engine were cranking slowly I would say maybe your oil grade was too high, but you are undoubtedly running synthetic so that shouldn't be a problem.

Likely your battery. Be careful if you jump the battery then attempt to charge the battery from only the alternator, as then you will be putting a lot of stress on the alternator as it recharges the battery.

If you can, remove the battery from the car and get it into an auto store to be tested. If good then put it on a trickle charger until it is fully charged. If it is bad then replace it. Then reinstall it and you should be good to go.
It does crank over but not firing up. I couldn't take the battery anywhere because Canadian tire is really my only choice here. I did put it on the battery tender and will try when the battery is topped off.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:25 PM
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You need to get the car into a warm area above freezing. If the car cranks but doesn't fire up, its possible some water in your gas has frozen in the fuel line. Just a guess.

In very cold conditions it may help to use gas line antifreeze. I don't use it much these days but have used it in the past.

All cars end up with some water in the gas which settles to the bottom of the tank. In extreme cold, the gas in the ground at the station is significantly warmer than the tank of your car. That alone can cause some minor water buildup in your tank. It is the reverse in the summer when the gas in the ground is actually colder than the warm tank in your car, which also produces some water condensation that settles to the bottom of the tank since water is heavier than gas. Eventually some water may get pulled into the gas line and if it is cold enough, the water will freeze solid. The gas line antifreeze will prevent the freeze up.
You may have other problems but a quick fix is gas line antifreeze.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:11 PM
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You need to get the car into a warm area above freezing. If the car cranks but doesn't fire up, its possible some water in your gas has frozen in the fuel line. Just a guess.

In very cold conditions it may help to use gas line antifreeze. I don't use it much these days but have used it in the past.

All cars end up with some water in the gas which settles to the bottom of the tank. In extreme cold, the gas in the ground at the station is significantly warmer than the tank of your car. That alone can cause some minor water buildup in your tank. It is the reverse in the summer when the gas in the ground is actually colder than the warm tank in your car, which also produces some water condensation that settles to the bottom of the tank since water is heavier than gas. Eventually some water may get pulled into the gas line and if it is cold enough, the water will freeze solid. The gas line antifreeze will prevent the freeze up.
You may have other problems but a quick fix is gas line antifreeze.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I will put antifreeze in it and try it, hopefully it warms up in the next few days. Unfortunately I can't take it anywhere indoors to warm up.
Any suggestions on the antifreeze brand or it doesn't matter?
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:30 AM
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It can't be just antifreeze but specifically gas line antifreeze. Any brand will do. They contain isopropyl alcohol and also aid starting. The old Motomaster (Canadian Tire brand) bottle I have says add 150ml into 65 L of gas.
However, it will not do anything if your gas line is frozen. Once the line is thawed out then the antifreeze will work to prevent it from recurring.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:51 PM
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It can't be just antifreeze but specifically gas line antifreeze. Any brand will do. They contain isopropyl alcohol and also aid starting. The old Motomaster (Canadian Tire brand) bottle I have says add 150ml into 65 L of gas.
However, it will not do anything if your gas line is frozen. Once the line is thawed out then the antifreeze will work to prevent it from recurring.
Yeah I know what you mean. I guess I was just hoping for a miracle!

I am going to call BMW assist and get it towed down to Edmonton, it sucks that they won't tow the car back to me.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:49 PM
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So the dealer said it was carbon build up. As soon as they replaced the spark plugs it fired right up. They said shell's 91 vpower in fort Mcmurray could be cheaper quality!! Anything I should add to my gas tank to avoid future problems?
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:46 PM
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So the dealer said it was carbon build up. As soon as they replaced the spark plugs it fired right up. They said shell's 91 vpower in fort Mcmurray could be cheaper quality!! Anything I should add to my gas tank to avoid future problems?
It also could have fired up because it was in a nice warm garage but new plugs can't hurt. I hope they didn't soak you too much.

Typical of a dealer to blame the gas. Where do they think it came from? -its own refinery in Fort McMurray?

Add gas line antifreeze and you'll be good to go.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:25 PM
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Cool I will add gasoline antifreeze every other tank or so. Yeah it's funny I tried to explain to them that shell probably has a standard on their product that won't change from one city to another! Their advice was to drive the car hard to avoid future problems! Who are these people?!?!

Anyways I didn't pay anything, all covered by warranty. But I have to pay for my own transportation to Edmonton, a night stay then the drive back the next morning
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:28 PM
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"Drive the car hard"? Did they put this in writing on the repair documents? Did they define WTF this means? 5000 rpm for 20 minutes? Glad they did the plugs and carbon cleaning for no charge! You did OK!
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:53 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_tuneup

I had to do a kinder gentler version a few weeks ago when the oil level sensor told me I was out of oil. Short trips in cold weather lead to moisture in the oil. Running the car up to full operating temperature and then venting the oil filler cleared up that problem, no trip to the dealer. There's a lot of useable space on the tach before you get to the redline.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:02 AM
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"Drive the car hard"? Did they put this in writing on the repair documents? Did they define WTF this means? 5000 rpm for 20 minutes? Glad they did the plugs and carbon cleaning for no charge! You did OK!
I don't know if they actually did carbon cleaning. All she said on the phone was that the plugs were pretty "carboned" and so they replaced them. Second set of plugs in less than 6 months!
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