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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 02-04-2013, 12:43 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:01 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:34 PM
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cool E30, wrong subforum though
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:23 PM
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actually 10-12k (edited)
thinking like 7-8 for the car at least 3 for the bag set up and the style 5's are generous at a grand.
wow! for a ball park figure... under 5k USD

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Old 02-04-2013, 05:07 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:35 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:37 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:40 PM
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Thanks CJ. Slowly getting better at this camera thing.

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Travis, go lower dude...
I will, I think I need more fender rolling. It rubs pretty bad even if I'm barely going fast and turning
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:33 PM
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Thanks CJ. Slowly getting better at this camera thing.



I will, I think I need more fender rolling. It rubs pretty bad even if I'm barely going fast and turning
That is why I'm on 205/40 on the style 5s
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:37 PM
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That's an option but not being able to go fast without smelling rubber is a real problem for me. I'm hoping after a smaller spacer and increase in neg camber I'll be able to go lower and not rub as much.

Wish I would have sprung for camber AND caster plates. I feel like a problem is how far forward the wheels are.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:38 PM
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What are your tire specs/offset?
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:40 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:46 PM
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I believe offset is 43 and the tires are 225/40. Also running a 15 mm spacer (I think, there's 2 because one acts as a hubcentric ring and I'm not quite sure on the width).
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:50 PM
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Why would a hubcentric ring act as a spacer?

I wouldn't run any spacers with that offset. Where exactly is it rubbing?
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:54 PM
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caster will not move the wheel itself, as its geometry is set by the structure of the lower control arm and chassis mounting points.

you can increase caster, which will aid in steering return to center and inline high speed stability.





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Old 02-04-2013, 06:55 PM
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The wheels have an e39 bore.

I believe the rubbing is coming from about 10:30 if you treat the fender as a clock.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:56 PM
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caster will not move the wheel itself, as its geometry is set by the structure of the lower control arm and chassis mounting points.

you can increase caster, which will aid in steering return to center and inline high speed stability.





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Well that makes sense. Guess I never really thought the whole idea of it through.

Now I feel good about the camber plates again.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:10 PM
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I believe offset is 43 and the tires are 225/40. Also running a 15 mm spacer (I think, there's 2 because one acts as a hubcentric ring and I'm not quite sure on the width).
What's the rim width and are those 17" or 18"?
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:12 PM
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8.5" and 18" wheels.

Thanks for the help guys, this offset crap confuses the hell out of me.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:56 PM
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It can be pretty challenging. For your set up you you've got a lot going. I'll try and lay it out in steps.

OEM wheels are 46mm offset and 7 inch width.

Your wheels are 8.5 inches and 43mm offset.

46mm - 43mm gives 3mm offset outward.

The width increase adds 38mm of width over the 7 inch which is divided in half. Half inboard and half outboard or 19mm each way which moves the inner rim in by 19mm.

You already got 3mm out minus 19mm in gives you net 16mm inward increase.

The 15mm spacer moves you outboard again giving you a net inboard offset of 1mm which is nominal.

With the inboard side established back to about the normal, you've also added 19mm outboard (the other half of the 38mm) which closed up the gap between the tire and the fender.

Net of all this, you need the 15mm spacers since you can't go inboard any. Fender roll and pull or dropping in tire width to 215/40 should fix any rub.
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It can be pretty challenging. For your set up you you've got a lot going. I'll try and lay it out in steps.

OEM wheels are 46mm offset and 7 inch width.

Your wheels are 8.5 inches and 43mm offset.

46mm - 43mm gives 3mm offset outward.

The width increase adds 38mm of width over the 7 inch which is divided in half. Half inboard and half outboard or 19mm each way which moves the inner rim in by 19mm.

You already got 3mm out minus 19mm in gives you net 16mm inward increase.

The 15mm spacer moves you outboard again giving you a net inboard offset of 1mm which is nominal.

With the inboard side established back to about the normal, you've also added 19mm outboard (the other half of the 38mm) which closed up the gap between the tire and the fender.

Net of all this, you need the 15mm spacers since you can't go inboard any. Fender roll and pull or dropping in tire width to 215/40 should fix any rub.
this. made my head hurt really bad.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:14 PM
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It can be pretty challenging. For your set up you you've got a lot going. I'll try and lay it out in steps.

OEM wheels are 46mm offset and 7 inch width.

Your wheels are 8.5 inches and 43mm offset.

46mm - 43mm gives 3mm offset outward.

The width increase adds 38mm of width over the 7 inch which is divided in half. Half inboard and half outboard or 19mm each way which moves the inner rim in by 19mm.

You already got 3mm out minus 19mm in gives you net 16mm inward increase.

The 15mm spacer moves you outboard again giving you a net inboard offset of 1mm which is nominal.

With the inboard side established back to about the normal, you've also added 19mm outboard (the other half of the 38mm) which closed up the gap between the tire and the fender.

Net of all this, you need the 15mm spacers since you can't go inboard any. Fender roll and pull or dropping in tire width to 215/40 should fix any rub.
As odd as it may seem. I have a much better understanding of it now. I'm dropping the spacer size. If that doesn't fix it will be more pulling. Really don't want the tire width to go any smaller.

Thanks again

EDIT: Now that I read it again, going to a smaller spacer would result in less inside clearance and I might hit my springs from the coils? When I say reduction in spacer I'm talking less than 5mm drop in size. Would that net inward increase of ~6mm be enough to cause any issues?
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:28 PM
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