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Old 01-25-2013, 07:47 PM
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Pfffffft! If you had said BBS RS, Alpina or ACS this would have made sense, but Borbet type As? Not hating, but you do realize that you are comparing a $800 set of wheels to a $4500 set of wheels?

.....Oh well, different strokes I guess.

So here's mine in the daylight (with photo hacked covers painted on). Still haven't got the correct lugbolts, so the covers are still off in real life.


supercharger install 047.5 by Gixxerboy63, on Flickr
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:39 PM
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Yes I am aware of the price difference, but that doesn't sway my opinion. using your figures, are three piece Hartges 6 time better than Borbet type A's and therefore worth 6 times the investment? to me, no. but i do like hartges! i just wont own them. even three piece AC Schnitzers and an AC Schnitzer steering wheel, i really want for my touring, but i will never buy them because they are WAY overpriced for what they are which counts me out.

hope this helps explain where im coming from
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:08 PM
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:03 PM
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Yes I am aware of the price difference, but that doesn't sway my opinion. using your figures, are three piece Hartges 6 time better than Borbet type A's and therefore worth 6 times the investment? to me, no. but i do like hartges! i just wont own them. even three piece AC Schnitzers and an AC Schnitzer steering wheel, i really want for my touring, but i will never buy them because they are WAY overpriced for what they are which counts me out.

hope this helps explain where im coming from
Worth the investment? That is a matter of opinion. The expense alone guarantees Hartge exclusiveness, but there is also value in being super lightweight and very strong, contributing to less rotating mass and less reciprocating weight. The benefit is better acceleration, more efficient braking and better fuel efficiency.... +You're not likely to ever see another set on a car anywhere you go.

I assumed that you were basing your opinion on appearance alone without any regard to cost or other benefits..... So given the choice of Borbets or Hartge's, without having to fork out the added cost for the latter and you would still go for the Borbets?
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:04 PM
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Worth the investment? That is a matter of opinion. The expense alone guarantees Hartge exclusiveness, but there is also value in being super lightweight and very strong, contributing to less rotating mass and less reciprocating weight. The benefit is better excelleration, more efficient braking and better fuel efficiency.... +You're not likely to ever see another set on a car anywhere you go.

I assumed that you were basing your opinion on appearance alone without any regard to cost or other benefits..... So given the choice of Borbets or Hartge's, without having to fork out the added cost for the latter and you would still go for the Borbets?
on a street car, the difference in wheel weight etc is negligible really. on a race car it comes into play, but you wouldnt rock 3pc hartges on a race car. For my Touring i would choose 3 piece AC Schnitzers because its already got the ACS body kit etc. but if i had another E34 yes Hartges would be be pretty well up the list. sadly, thats not reality.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:35 PM
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The benefit is better acceleration, more efficient braking and better fuel efficiency.... +You're not likely to ever see another set on a car anywhere you go.

I assumed that you were basing your opinion on appearance alone without any regard to cost or other benefits..... So given the choice of Borbets or Hartge's, without having to fork out the added cost for the latter and you would still go for the Borbets?
Fixed that for ya.

Hmm i can see your point, only because your project is almost complete and not needing much else.
So dropping 4500 on a set of rollers isn't a big deal.
Regardless of function the exclusivity or the sticker price shock value is the icing on the cake.

The wheels are nice. And about time you put them on the car

But I see Andy's point as well.

My point. Find a set a hartge 3 pcs around the same price point of my 18 inch 58 stgrds and I'd go with the hartges too.

Most look at it from a Cost and function vs. the average budget of a current e34 owner.
Not everyone's going to jump. Being that most of these rare wheels in circulation are refurbished.
The price is determined by how much someone would pay for it.
4500 is another e34 if not a M5 in some situations.

So to each his own. And Happy hunting.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:53 PM
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4500 is another e34 if not a M5 in some situations.
Its also a top shelf supercharger kit for an M60 or a euro S50 conversion... i know what i would rather.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:18 PM
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Fixed that for ya.

Hmm i can see your point, only because your project is almost complete and not needing much else.
So dropping 4500 on a set of rollers isn't a big deal.
Regardless of function the exclusivity or the sticker price shock value is the icing on the cake.

The wheels are nice. And about time you put them on the car

But I see Andy's point as well.

My point. Find a set a hartge 3 pcs around the same price point of my 18 inch 58 stgrds and I'd go with the hartges too.

Most look at it from a Cost and function vs. the average budget of a current e34 owner.
Not everyone's going to jump. Being that most of these rare wheels in circulation are refurbished.
The price is determined by how much someone would pay for it.
4500 is another e34 if not a M5 in some situations.

So to each his own. And Happy hunting.
In Ethrty-Andy's original post on this subject, there was no consideration of price stated: he simply said that the Hartge's were his second favorite wheel he had ever seen on a BMW, behind the Borbets Type A..... I can certainly understand the cost factor driving most of our decisions, but cost was not mentioned. It was simply a preference of style in which he preferred the Borbets.... Really? To me its like saying that a Timex is more aesthetically pleasing than a Tag Heuer!

....These wheels are not even in the same class!
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:28 PM
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In Ethrty-Andy's original post on this subject, there was no consideration of price stated: he simply said that the Hartge's were his second favorite wheel he had ever seen on a BMW, behind the Borbets Type A..... I can certainly understand the cost factor driving most of our decisions, but cost was not mentioned. It was simply a preference of style in which he preferred the Borbets.... Really? To me its like saying that a Timex is more aesthetically pleasing than a Tag Heuer!

....These wheels are not even in the same class!
Oh....nah I think you took it the wrong way.
As far as style and such. I don't think he's making that argument.

Eitherway Gxsr they look good. Glad you finally mounted them on the car.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:56 PM
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i probably didnt phrase it right.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:26 AM
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as i own this car only for couple of days I barely did some work on it, but I'm happy that I have something to start with. This old guy has 303 000 km mileage but still in very good shape and condition. So far, for the start, there is new original turbo fitted last summer, engine went trough a small service, plenty of bodywork was done for the bottom as it was rusty... a lot of parts was taken from another E34 TDS.

This car has a little bit interesting story:
I don't know nothing about first owner, but second one had this car for years. But few years ago, he has been arrested for something and get to jail. This car ended at my friend's place, where he has also small, family, car service. For years, it was just standing there, hidden under roof. Year ago, my friend had crash with his own car, so he wanted something to drive while his car is being repaired. He then took this E34 and did a lot of work on it. Now i bought it from him, as his own car is working... just only after i heard that sound, I said: If diesel, only this one.

This car features standard 525TDS 105kW engine, it was made in 1991 and now it has: Rear electric window heating, heated mirrors, electrical mirrors, digital clock + termometer, electronic sunroof, electronic front seats heating, dimming dashboard, front electric windows, angel-eyes, remote locks, central locking with luggage doors connected....
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:04 AM
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Hi there,

as i own this car only for couple of days I barely did some work on it, but I'm happy that I have something to start with. This old guy has 303 000 km mileage but still in very good shape and condition. So far, for the start, there is new original turbo fitted last summer, engine went trough a small service, plenty of bodywork was done for the bottom as it was rusty... a lot of parts was taken from another E34 TDS.

This car has a little bit interesting story:
I don't know nothing about first owner, but second one had this car for years. But few years ago, he has been arrested for something and get to jail. This car ended at my friend's place, where he has also small, family, car service. For years, it was just standing there, hidden under roof. Year ago, my friend had crash with his own car, so he wanted something to drive while his car is being repaired. He then took this E34 and did a lot of work on it. Now i bought it from him, as his own car is working... just only after i heard that sound, I said: If diesel, only this one.

This car features standard 525TDS 105kW engine, it was made in 1991 and now it has: Rear electric window heating, heated mirrors, electrical mirrors, digital clock + termometer, electronic sunroof, electronic front seats heating, dimming dashboard, front electric windows, angel-eyes, remote locks, central locking with luggage doors connected....
A very warm welcome to Bimmerfest to you! I do hope you enjoy your time here! TDS E34s are quite rare! Is it the M21 or M51 engine? If it is the latter, you may not be aware of this but that engine is also used in the E36 325TDS and also some early BMW built Land Rovers.

I also have a friend that has an E36 325TDS, believed to be one of only two in my country. And have only ever heard of one E34 525TDS here and it was even a Touring! No dealer history of it though so must have been imported.

Sorry, i get a little exited when late 80s early 90s diesel BMWs show up.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:55 PM
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It's M51, and they are not that rare in our country, as we are German's neighbors ... http://auto.bazos.cz/bmw/?hledat=E34...enado=&order=2

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It's M51, and they are not that rare in our country, as we are German's neighbors ... http://auto.bazos.cz/bmw/?hledat=E34...enado=&order=2
quite cheap too!
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Thank you Steve! I wanna bring the rear down a little more,but the coilovers won't adjust any lower without modification.

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welcome to the fest!! Is that a motor swap or a typo?
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