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Old 02-09-2013, 07:41 AM
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So San Bernardino will 100% be closed in May?

There is no good information out there. I found a youtube video of people on it in October and some posts say it is hit or miss and you need to check before departing....other posts on various forums say for sure closed.

Can anyone speak from experience?

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If I could predict the weather with certain accuracy 3 months out I would not have to work anymore.. Check the road conditions just before you head for the pass.
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If I could predict the weather with certain accuracy 3 months out I would not have to work anymore.. Check the road conditions just before you head for the pass.
So you're sayin there's a chance....
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:54 AM
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St. Gottard Pass is another possibility and it is on the way to Lucerne/Zurich...I've seen forums and youtube videos discussing/showing it open in May...

Just not sure what the most reliable source of information is to determine whether or not they are open within a few days of my journey
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I've traveled San Bernardino pass in early May. The Autostrada road was not passable in some areas, so I remember there being detours of 1/2-4 miles in some places that took you along frontage roads and through little towns.
Check in advance, don't know if my experience is typical..
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Weather can be extremely variable during your time frame in Europe. Our ED was 5/12/11 and most of the first week of our trip in Germany and Austria was overcast, rainy, and cold, and we wore jeans and jackets. Zugspitze was closed due to snow and we saw lots of snow in the mountains around Innstruck, Mittenwald, and Garmisch-Partinkirchen, and got the snowflake on the dash on the Alpenstrasse. The second week was mostly sunny and warm and we wore shorts and t-shirts.

No one can predict what the weather will be and one person's experience in one place on a certain date is no indication that the weather would even be similar in the same place on the same date in a different year (or even the next day!)

For that matter, here in San Diego, a week ago it was warm and sunny with temp in the 80's, yesterday was cold and rainy with temp in the upper 40's.
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I've traveled San Bernardino pass in early May. The Autostrada road was not passable in some areas, so I remember there being detours of 1/2-4 miles in some places that took you along frontage roads and through little towns.
Check in advance, don't know if my experience is typical..
when did you drive it?

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Weather can be extremely variable during your time frame in Europe. Our ED was 5/12/11 and most of the first week of our trip in Germany and Austria was overcast, rainy, and cold, and we wore jeans and jackets. Zugspitze was closed due to snow and we saw lots of snow in the mountains around Innstruck, Mittenwald, and Garmisch-Partinkirchen, and got the snowflake on the dash on the Alpenstrasse. The second week was mostly sunny and warm and we wore shorts and t-shirts.

No one can predict what the weather will be and one person's experience in one place on a certain date is no indication that the weather would even be similar in the same place on the same date in a different year (or even the next day!)

For that matter, here in San Diego, a week ago it was warm and sunny with temp in the 80's, yesterday was cold and rainy with temp in the upper 40's.
Do you think the performance tires that will come on my M sport will be OK on the road from Neuschwanstein to Innsbruck on delivery day?

I'm a bit pissed at myself for assuming May was safe for road conditions...

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Do you think the performance tires that will come on my M sport will be OK on the road from Neuschwanstein to Innsbruck on delivery day?

I'm a bit pissed at myself for assuming May was safe for road conditions...
Prob. around May 5, 2004. In an M3 and the delivery/performance tires were fine. I think the Autostrada may have been impassable due to snow melt or damage from the winter. There was snow along the side of the road most places, but not on the roadway IIRC.
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For that matter, here in San Diego, a week ago it was warm and sunny with temp in the 80's, yesterday was cold and rainy with temp in the upper 40's.
Are you sure you hit 80?
We haven't hit 75 here in So OC for months.
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Prob. around May 5, 2004. In an M3 and the delivery/performance tires were fine. I think the Autostrada may have been impassable due to snow melt or damage from the winter. There was snow along the side of the road most places, but not on the roadway IIRC.
Cool. Well I guess I'll be keeping my fingers crossed and hoping there's some balmy weather in the alps through march and april so that I can drive one of the passes. In a perfect world, San bernardino will be open and before we hit Zurich we can take a 10 minute detour into Leichtenstein for lunch and add another country to the trip.
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Do you think the performance tires that will come on my M sport will be OK on the road from Neuschwanstein to Innsbruck on delivery day?

I'm a bit pissed at myself for assuming May was safe for road conditions...


Yes; you should be. But it's not like there is only one to get somewhere in Europe. There are literally dozens of ways to get from A to B, most of them FAR more interesting and fun to drive than any main roads in the US.
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Are we to understand that you plan to do a delivery, drive to Neuschwanstein, tour the castle, and then drive to Innsbruck for the night. It seems a bit ambitious to me. I can see doing the delivery and driving to the castle. Spend the night (see recommendations in the Wiki) or The Lisl, a bit more upscale. Then in the morning touring the castles and drive to Innsbruck. Slow down and enjoy the sights. Europe at 100mph is wasted and just a blur.
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Are we to understand that you plan to do a delivery, drive to Neuschwanstein, tour the castle, and then drive to Innsbruck for the night. It seems a bit ambitious to me. I can see doing the delivery and driving to the castle. Spend the night (see recommendations in the Wiki) or The Lisl, a bit more upscale. Then in the morning touring the castles and drive to Innsbruck. Slow down and enjoy the sights. Europe at 100mph is wasted and just a blur.
I'm not going to tour the castle...not really even interested in going there, but my wife's uncle in Malaysia loves that castle. He has a framed puzzle of it in his living room and a poster of it elsewhere in the house. We figured that since we'll be so close, we might as well go and see it. My delivery is 9am, so the castle is like a 2 hour detour that won't impact our first day with the car too much.

It'll allow us to see some of the of the german alpine road as well. And the road form the castle to innsbruck looks pretty cool. But I'm not going in. I'm more into the purpose-built castles that are like 1000 years old, not so much the rich guy castles of the last 200 years.

Even if we were going to tour the castle, it's only 2 hours to insbruck from there

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So, the reason behind your question is that you really WANT to drive the col road as opposed to the tunnel, correct? I've driven that route in May and unless there's winter damage or construction, the tunnel route will certainly be open. When I did it a few years back, there was still snow at the top of the pass, but the roads were clear. A furious storm was lashing the mountain, with lighting flickering off the snowbanks as the rain bucketed down. Quite surreal. But the road over the pass is not really one of the great mountain pass drives. So I'm guessing that because of your trip routing, this is your best chance at driving a mountain pass? Otherwise, re-routing would give you a better driving experience.
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So, the reason behind your question is that you really WANT to drive the col road as opposed to the tunnel, correct? I've driven that route in May and unless there's winter damage or construction, the tunnel route will certainly be open. When I did it a few years back, there was still snow at the top of the pass, but the roads were clear. A furious storm was lashing the mountain, with lighting flickering off the snowbanks as the rain bucketed down. Quite surreal. But the road over the pass is not really one of the great mountain pass drives. So I'm guessing that because of your trip routing, this is your best chance at driving a mountain pass? Otherwise, re-routing would give you a better driving experience.
The itinerary takes us into Switzerland and we could take St. Goddard or San Bernardino. I just want to drive a mountain pass, so I'm willing to do whichever one is open. Unfortunately, it looks pretty likely that neither will be open. But when I looked at St. Goddard online, it looked pretty awesome, especially the cobblestone road. Even if the mountain passes are closed, it still looks from some of the Google Street views ive seen, that I'll be driving down some pretty sweet roads with some pretty cool scenery
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