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Old 02-08-2013, 09:22 PM
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2013 F10 spring sets lower!

Just eyeballing the 2013 M5 at my dealers the other day, a basic Carbon Black w/20" wheel upgrade. It was parked next to a 2013 535i M Sport (19" wheels) and I couldn't help but notice the 535i appeared to sit a little lower. So I did a quick test...measured the distance from the edge of front fender bottom just before the tire wheel well and the end of the side facia just before the rear tire wheel well on both cars.

YIKES...the 535i was about 12/8mm lower F/R than the M5. Of course the M5 had 20"s, so maybe that's the reason. I measured a non M sport and it was higher by just that amount. So, amusingly, the non M sport F10 sat the same height as the M5! I'm sure the M5 have the lower spring set but maybe you just don't notice it because of the slightly bigger 20" wheels.

But wait! I went over to my 550i M sport w/19" and made the same measurement. It was just as high as the 2013 non M-sport , ARRGH!

After I calmed down, I remember reading a while back that our Euro counterparts with F10 sport packages have springs from the factory that were about 10mm lower. I suspect BMW did another "silent" improvement by using their Euro spec springs on 2013 F10 Sport package/M sports because it sure isn't in the catalogue nor the MY announcement. Hmmm!

Anyone else notice this?
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:39 PM
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Why would a 2013 535 M Sport be lower than a 2013 550 M Sport? Did they both have 19" wheels? Maybe one of them has ARS.

Seems weird.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:03 AM
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I don't know if it sits lower than the M5, but I know the 13 F10 535 with M Sport definitely sits lower than a 12 F10 535 with M Sport. In my complex, there are 4 F10s...One 13 535 M Sport that parks right next to me with the same wheel gap as mine and the other two are 2012 F10s with M Sport pkg. I compared the wheel gap between my 535 and the 12 F10 535...There is a noticeable difference between our wheel gaps both in the front and the rear. I have the M Sport w/out the ARS nor DDC...Don't know if the 12 F10 535 have either of those pkgs. All of the F10s have the stock M Sport wheels and stock tires.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:30 AM
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I don't know if it sits lower than the M5, but I know the 13 F10 535 with M Sport definitely sits lower than a 12 F10 535 with M Sport. In my complex, there are 4 F10s...One 13 535 M Sport that parks right next to me with the same wheel gap as mine and the other two are 2012 F10s with M Sport pkg. I compared the wheel gap between my 535 and the 12 F10 535...There is a noticeable difference between our wheel gaps both in the front and the rear. I have the M Sport w/out the ARS nor DDC...Don't know if the 12 F10 535 had either of those pkgs. All of the F10s have the stock M Sport wheels and stock tires.
You just answered a question I had! I knew the non-adaptive M Sport suspension on our 2013's sits lower than the previous adaptive suspensions on the pre-2013 M Sports. I used to think F10's had big wheel gap, until I saw the 2013 535i M Sports.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:05 AM
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I have a '13 M Sport 550i w/ 19", non ARS non Adaptive, would you like me to measure the gap?
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:06 AM
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Yes please...front and rear. I have DDC but not ARS nor Adaptive. I didn't notice weather the cars I saw had ARS so perhaps that could make the difference in spring height.
Finding out this info on ride height is so difficult. It's neither in the brochure, MY change announcements, or realm.com. Nevertheless, I like many 2011-2012 F10 owners think our cars have too big of a gap and find aftermarket springs the only solution. Perhaps if my 2012 F10 looked lower like the 2013, I might not be hunting for springs.

Or maybe BMW just got tired of all the rant about soft springs and wide tire gaps that they just went ahead and did the car justice for 2013.

Does this mean our beloved marque actually listen to owners and do the right thing?? Hmmm.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:08 AM
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I don't know if it sits lower than the M5, but I know the 13 F10 535 with M Sport definitely sits lower than a 12 F10 535 with M Sport. In my complex, there are 4 F10s...One 13 535 M Sport that parks right next to me with the same wheel gap as mine and the other two are 2012 F10s with M Sport pkg. I compared the wheel gap between my 535 and the 12 F10 535...There is a noticeable difference between our wheel gaps both in the front and the rear. I have the M Sport w/out the ARS nor DDC...Don't know if the 12 F10 535 have either of those pkgs. All of the F10s have the stock M Sport wheels and stock tires.
You can almost tell just by your pic.

Here is mine with standard suspension (with DDC)

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Old 02-09-2013, 09:17 AM
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Yes, yours and oneon3puts pic sure looks lower. Now if the 2013 also had upgraded sway bars (rear bar fatter than the 14mm I have) then I'd really be sorry I didn't wait for a 2013. That would save me all the angst of doing springs and bar upgrades (sheesh!)

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You can almost tell just by your pic.

Here is mine with standard suspension (with DDC)

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Old 02-09-2013, 09:46 AM
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I measured the gap from the top of the tire and both front and back are about 35mm
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:55 AM
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Yes, yours and oneon3puts pic sure looks lower. Now if the 2013 also had upgraded sway bars (rear bar fatter than the 14mm I have) then I'd really be sorry I didn't wait for a 2013. That would save me all the angst of doing springs and bar upgrades (sheesh!)
Ausdude, 3-putt and K-A should actually all be a few mm lower than mine. Since I ordered "DDC" the config reverts back to the regular suspension (all this was unclear last Jul-12 when I ordered.)
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:40 PM
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Big Difference!

Thanks for the info. OK, 35mm is about 1 3/8". I remeasured mine and its setting at 2 1/8" front and 1 7/8" rear. What a difference. Compelling case for us earlier F10 guys to retro some 2013 F10 sport springs if not some aftermarket springs.

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Old 02-10-2013, 10:06 PM
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difference ?

I have a 13 550 with the dynamic driving package. Does it sit higher due to that package. DDC and ASR or what ever ?
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:44 PM
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Don't know but...

Here's a quick, simple way to compare: My 2012 550i w/o ARS sets 6 1/8" from the floor when measured right after the front wheel well. What's yours?
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:21 AM
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I will measure mine tonight, I have 2013 550i M sport with DDC.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:06 PM
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mine is around 16.5 CM or 6.5 inches using that same estimation "technique."

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Old 02-11-2013, 02:07 PM
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Eeek!

I hope you're off a bit. Otherwise, you'd be sitting higher than my 2012 M Sport (YIKES!).
Just to be consistent, however, the technique I used was simply holding a straight edge up to the bottom edge of the side of the car right past the front wheel well. Not scientific, but quick.

Anyway, I'm not really trying to belabor the point amongst us F10 fans because the the spring height "is what it is." I am irked, however, how BMW makes it so difficult to know what you're getting by combining/altering their packages from year to year. Oh well, I guess that's progress.
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mine is around 16.5 CM or 6.5 inches using that same estimation "technique."

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Old 02-11-2013, 02:28 PM
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Here's mine, 13 F10 535 M Sport only no DDC. Sorry, had to flip the ruler around so the #s are on the right side. It's just at 6 inches or a hair above it...
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:56 PM
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Huh?

Appreciate the info. Just like my 2012 550i.
But stumped at what I saw and measured at the dealers. Maybe it had ARS. Maybe the payment was not level. Maybe the air pressure was low. Maybe its just the Titanium Silver F10s (lol). Nevertheless, I'm still planning lowering springs when I do the sway bar upgrade. Thanks again.
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Here's mine, 13 F10 535 M Sport only no DDC. Sorry, had to flip the ruler around so the #s are on the right side. It's just at 6 inches or a hair above it...
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:36 PM
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You guys should compare the part numbers on realoem.com

You can select different build dates to pull up relevant information and if the Msport package comes with different springs it would list it.

I am surprised just how many different parts the F10 has depending on what option it has. Even a loaded F10 isn't the greatest handler in this class so I can't even imagine how a non sports/msport/ARS/DDC would drive like. Things like sway bar diameter, springs, shocks, wheel size and tires all varies on this car.

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Old 02-11-2013, 06:53 PM
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You can select different build dates to pull up relevant information and if the Msport package comes with different springs it would list it.
Except for springs, all I see it list is "The choice of proper coil springs depends on the options installed on your vehicle. Refer to your local BMW dealer for details."

Here's an example URL:

http://realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?mo...51&hg=31&fg=10

Unless I'm missing something, they do not list specific spring parts.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:44 PM
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+1. Tried real oem for several F10 models and no spring data. Maybe I'll try the dealer parts guy next time I'm in but my last experience with him was not inspiring (South Bay BMW).

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Except for springs, all I see it list is "The choice of proper coil springs depends on the options installed on your vehicle. Refer to your local BMW dealer for details."

Here's an example URL:

http://realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?mo...51&hg=31&fg=10

Unless I'm missing something, they do not list specific spring parts.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:55 PM
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you guys are right. I looked at another bmw parts site and it was the same thing. No details about springs for some reason.
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Old thread, but I guess we now know the answer. The 2013 M-Sports have the 704M suspension, right?
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