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Old 09-30-2011, 10:08 AM
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Wow, well I guess when you hit the brakes (those 2 flaps covering the engine) it puts a hell of a lot of stress on the engine.
This happened from a "hard landing", and extremely hard landing. Not the thrust reversers. Aircraft also have brakes at the wheels which is probably how these guys stopped w/o over running the runway.
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Jet makes belly landing at Poland airport. Does that count?
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:17 PM
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Flying on a commercial jetliner has never been safer.

It will be four years on Tuesday since the last fatal crash in the United States, a record unmatched since propeller planes gave way to the jet age more than half a century ago. Globally, last year was the safest since 1945, with 23 deadly accidents and 475 fatalities, according to the Aviation Safety Network, an accident researcher. That was less than half the 1,147 deaths, in 42 crashes, in 2000.

In the last five years, the death risk for passengers in the United States has been one in 45 million flights, according to Arnold Barnett, a professor of statistics at M.I.T. In other words, flying has become so reliable that a traveler could fly every day for an average of 123,000 years before being in a fatal crash, he said.

There are many reasons for this remarkable development. Planes and engines have become more reliable. Advanced navigation and warning technology has sharply reduced once-common accidents like midair collisions or crashes into mountains in poor visibility.

Regulators, pilots and airlines now share much more extensive information about flying hazards, with the goal of preventing accidents rather than just reacting to them. And when crashes do occur, passengers are now more likely to survive.
I'll tell you what though. Lightning strikes seem to be on the rise.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:49 PM
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Well what do you know...

I'll tell you what though. Lightning strikes seem to be on the rise.
Lightning strikes are my personal least worry.

Babies throwing up on me, pilots sleeping while the co-pilot discovers he has no vertical control(Should have NEVER watched that movie...), Air Traffic Controllers 'forgetting' where planes are...they're much higher on my list of things to worry about.
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Just in case you thought it was safe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IhvbVhUQC08

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Re: Another plane crash.

Plane incidents are scary. Hope everyone got out safely on that plane. I just got on one myself

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Just in case you thought it was safe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IhvbVhUQC08

Way safer than a car.
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Date/Time: July 6, 2013 / 11:27am PST

In good weather conditions, the aircraft crashed while attempting to land on runway 28L. It appeared the aircraft descended below the approach path until the maingear hit the seawall short of the runway threshold and a few meters to the right of the extended centreline. It lost its entire undercarriage and the tail broke off immediately behind the aft pressure bulkhead. The plane came to rest about 300 meters further about 20 meters to the left of runway 28L near taxiway "Foxtrott". A fire erupted in the middle and forward cabin section, which destroyed the hull of the aircraft. Emergency vehicles responded immediately. There were at least two fatalities. About 190 passengers safely evacuated themselves via slides. A number of long haul flights from Europe had been diverted to Oakland Airport. NTSB has begun its investigation.

This accident marks the 3rd hull loss for Asiana Airlines and the 3rd hull loss for a Boeing 777 aircraft.

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Old 07-07-2013, 01:18 AM
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Re: Another plane crash.

So he missed the whole damn runway?

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So he missed the whole damn runway?

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No, just the tail missed the runway....
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No, just the tail missed the runway....


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Old 07-07-2013, 01:38 AM
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Re: Another plane crash.

Either the plane had auto pilot problems or one of the Korean pilots has started to have some early age vision problems.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World...ty-record.aspx

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Old 07-07-2013, 07:48 AM
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Either the plane had auto pilot problems or one of the Korean pilots has started to have some early age vision problems.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World...ty-record.aspx

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It will be hard not to blame the pilots; manual landing (no ILS operational), ideal weather, no Mayday, low speed and wrong path.
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"And the Boeing was 1,000 feet (400 meters) short, ..."

Stupid journalists and their fuzzy math again. And this is from the International BUSINESS times. What an imbecile.
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It will be hard not to blame the pilots; manual landing (no ILS operational), ideal weather, no Mayday, low speed and wrong path.
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Lee, in his late 40s, had 12,387 hours of flying experience, including 3,220 hours on the Boeing 777, according to the Transport Ministry in Seoul.

A second pilot on board the aircraft, Lee Kang-kook, had 9,793 hours flying experience and 43 hours on the 777.
Conversation in the cockpit probably went something like "It's a nice weather, no winds, very long runway. It's a good opportunity for the second pilot to practice landing a 777. What could go wrong... ".
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Conversation in the cockpit probably went something like "It's a nice weather, no winds, very long runway. It's a good opportunity for the second pilot to practice landing a 777. What could go wrong... ".
Lol.. I bet that is exactly what happened Some died for that though

Pilots did a good job though after in gaining some control of the plane and not blowing the whole plane up. Got to give the guy that Fuc*ed up some partial credit for minimizing the death count though the plane now has a salvage title :o

Probably about $300 million plus down the drain plus lawsuits and settlement claims which will start arriving in the mail soon.

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Conversation in the cockpit probably went something like "It's a nice weather, no winds, very long runway. It's a good opportunity for the second pilot to practice landing a 777. What could go wrong... ".
Actually, in good weather, ATC probably cleared them with a visual approach because it reduces separation requirements and means they can increase traffic flow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_approach

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The visual approach allows a pilot to fly to the runway without having to perform an instrument approach.[3] This can greatly reduce pilot and controller workload, and expedite traffic by shortening flight paths to the airport. [1] Taking a shorter route to the airport in lieu of flying a complicated instrument approach procedure (IAP) can increase pilot safety, as the critical tasks of approach and landing occur when pilots are most fatigued.[4][3]
Controllers also benefit from visual approaches, for whom a visual approach is an essential tool in the effort to maximize traffic flow (especially at busier airports). Visual approaches dramatically reduce controller workload -- ATC's IFR separation requirements are eliminated which relieves controllers of the burden.[5]
Update: Reading some of the wiki, the ILS for 28L was U/S and Visual approach procedures were in effect

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The Instrument Landing System (ILS) and consequently the navigational glidepath on Runway 28L had been out of service since June 11, and at the time of the crash.[14] Arrivals were standard visual arrivals, helped by the clear weather at the time.[15] Aviation safety commentator Chesley Sullenberger said a project to increase the runway safety zone required pilots to temporarily rely on sight instead of electronics with automated warnings.

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Actually, in good weather, ATC probably cleared them with a visual approach because it reduces separation requirements and means they can increase traffic flow.

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Update: Reading some of the wiki, the ILS for 28L was U/S and Visual approach procedures were in effect
Someone had vision problems. Many in Asia have difficulties with distance vision to where they have wear different glasses for reading and for driving
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Someone had vision problems. Many in Asia have difficulties with distance vision to where they have wear different glasses for reading and for driving
So do old white guys like me.....I solve the problem with "progressives".

One thing with a visual approach is that accepting it can sometimes put the crew well above the normal glide path. They end up "high and fast" and that is sometimes hard to get to the stable "in the slot" configuration. As a result they are in a high descent rate configuration, which makes them fast so engines are at idle. Jets engines take 7 or 8 seconds to spool up to power, so if your high descent rate drops you below the glide and you haven't already got the engines spooling up, you are pretty boned.
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Here's a video (from a distance) of the entire landing sequence.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...red-hayes.html
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Now I hear on the news radio that the 2 killed are 2 Chinese teenage girls. One of them was run over by an emergency vehicle approaching the plane. WTH.
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Now I hear on the news radio that the 2 killed are 2 Chinese teenage girls. One of them was run over by an emergency vehicle approaching the plane. WTH.
Sad, most likely students going to the US to study.


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Sad, most likely students going to the US to study.
Apparently here to see Stanford University and then hang out in SoCal for a couple of weeks "camping". Camping is actually staying with some families who are hosting them down there. Really sad situation.
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