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BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 02-14-2013, 08:32 AM
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I can point you to about 100 oil analyses proving that 0w40 M1 shears down to a 30 grade viscosity within a relatively short period of time. It does it so reliably that it's been discussed whether or not it was designed to shear down a bit.

Remember that the viscosity spread isn't achieved by base stock - it's still achieved by VIIs, just less of them in group IV.

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I agree about my father in law's Mini. And I know he doesn't warm it up properly. Nonetheless, if the interval and oil chosen by BMW were appropriate, it wouldn't be sludged.
Don't need 100 lab reports - Certified analysis on letterheads from 3 or 4 reputable labs showing significant change in change in M1 Euro viscosity at 1K miles (or even 3 or 4K miles) would do.

We both know why BMW/Mini says 15K drain intervals - marketing claims of TCO. I don't believe them anymore than I do wheel cleaner mfgs who claim "Spray on - Just rinse off".

And I agree with UltimateDriving - Any good synthetic with a half-way decent filter changed every 5-6K miles, 250 hours or twice per year (whichever is less) will protect all auto engines in most conditions.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:00 AM
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Mobil 1 is on the lower third end of cSt (viscosity) for a 40 weight. 13.5 in a range for 40 of 12.5 - 16.3. I have seen a number of UOA showing it in the mid 11's which puts it in the higher end of the second third of the 30 weights cSt which is 9.3 to 12.5. My last UOA on it came back like a chior of angels and the cSt actually was reported near the VOA which I dismissed as to good to be true but never the less, they stand by that number. It, like the other LL-01 oils are good stuff.

Sludge is caused by a number of factors and sometimes that cause, or at least a contributing factor, is indeed the manufacturer of the vehicle.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:13 AM
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I simply use Mobil 1 0w-40 because it's readily available at my local Walmart, meets LL-01, and cost around $6.50 quart. If the BMW dealer matched that kind of price, I'd buy from them all day long.

A local Porsche shop in Atlanta sells Hengst Oil Filters at $8.90 out the door; so I use Hengst over Mann or Mahle, but it is convenience and price between them that dictates.

But I'm going to also look for this Quaker State product: *Q HorsePower SAE 5W-40 Industry Approvals: European ACEA (A3/B3/B4-04), API (SM/CF)OEM Approvals: BMW (LL-01), Ferrari, Maserati, Mercedes-Benz (MB 229.5), Porsche, VW (502.00/505.00/503.01)Size: 1 U.S. quart (946 mL) Price: $4.99 and see If I can shave a ferw more bucks off of the cost.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:26 AM
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Don't need 100 lab reports - Certified analysis on letterheads from 3 or 4 reputable labs showing significant change in change in M1 Euro viscosity at 1K miles (or even 3 or 4K miles) would do.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1853023
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2551092
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2423345
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2794817
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...&Number=238299
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2250527
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2281431

Here's my own experience with M1 0w40 from 1 year ago including pictures of the top-end of my engine with the valve covers off after 105k miles (I owned that car since brand new): http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...2484504&page=1

great oil, likes to shear down to a high-end 30weight in all sorts of applications
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:26 AM
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MrGrumpy - Yeah, I can get 0w40 and a few other great oils for about $5/quart reliably at walmart. Just makes it an easy choice.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:09 PM
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I also hate BMW OCI's, i've seen lots of BMW engine sludge up because they were mainly used in short commutes and always followed the BMW OCI's.

Both Mann and Hengst are BMW OEM. From what i-ve seen most BMW 6 cylinder engines filtesr are made by Mann. I have purchased filters at the dealer for the N54, N55, N52 and M54 engines and all of them were Mann filters repackaged for BMW. (They have a Mann logo printed a the top of the filter)
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:45 PM
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Here are four reports where the viscosity held up well. Samples are rarely taken at 1K miles, so I guess we can't really speak to your statement that Mobil 1 0W-40 (out of the box a 40W on the low end of the 40 grade scale) shears down to 30 grade in 1K miles. The first report list below was for a sample taken at 2850 miles, the closest I could find to 1K, and shows strong results.

So much depends upon the engine condition, driving habits, environment, fuel dilution, etc. that we could trade reports all day and not be able to guess what the report numbers would be for a random car off the street.

It sounds like we do agree on one thing - Mobil 1 0W-40 is a very good oil when drain intervals are reasonable. I have used primarily Mobil 1 in all of my cars for 30 years with 5-6K drain intervals and have had outstanding results.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...26#Post2722326
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...29#Post2824329
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...32#Post2837132
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...05#Post2824605

Can you still buy M1 0W-40 in PA for $5 per quart? My local Walmart is now up to $7. I wish they would start carrying the 0W-40 in the 5 quart jug, but I just don't think there is enough demand. Anywhere I have seen the 5 quart jug sold it costs more per quart than the single quarts at Walmart.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:23 PM
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Even at $7 a quart for M1 0W-40 i would call it a steal, let alone $5.xx per quart.
In other parts of the world (Not USA) M1 is a LOT more expensive. Here where i live it retails at most stores for $16.xx and i get it for $12.xx from a distributor/wholesale company that sells Mobil Oils.
The cheapest oil that i can get that is "BMW LL-01" approved is the Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 for around $8.xx but the regular price is $12.xx.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:28 PM
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Even at $7 a quart for M1 0W-40 i would call it a steal, let alone $5.xx per quart.
In other parts of the world (Not USA) M1 is a LOT more expensive. Here where i live it retails at most stores for $16.xx and i get it for $12.xx from a distributor/wholesale company that sells Mobil Oils.
The cheapest oil that i can get that is "BMW LL-01" approved is the Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 for around $8.xx but the regular price is $12.xx.
$16?? Wow. Why so high? Heavy taxes or lack of competition?
At Walmart here in AZ, the other M1 grades (0W-30, 5W-30) available in 5 quart jugs are as low as $24.95 or less than $5 per quart.

How do you like the Shell Helix?
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:58 PM
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$16?? Wow. Why so high? Heavy taxes or lack of competition?
At Walmart here in AZ, the other M1 grades (0W-30, 5W-30) available in 5 quart jugs are as low as $24.95 or less than $5 per quart.

How do you like the Shell Helix?
I don't think it has anything to do with lack of competition because there are tons of auto parts stores and a couple of big retail stores that carries these oils.
Even the CHEAPEST dino oil from a reputable brand starts at around $5.00.
Castrol GTX is around $5.00 and the other ones such as the cheapest Shell HX5 starts at around $4.75.

I have only used the Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 once in another BMW E60 that had the N52 with the valve lifter tick issue, the noise went away for like a month.

My car started to have some issues when starting it for the first time in the morning, took twice or even thrice as long to start the engine and had rough idle for the first 3 seconds every single day, sometimes it cranked twice to be able to start.
Then i decided to change the oil to M1 0W-40 with a Mann OEM filter and i swear that the engine is like brand new, starts at the first crank and have never felt the rough idle again.
M1 is like a bottle of magic, i'm sticking with it from now on.

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Old 02-15-2013, 10:19 AM
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That's it, I will just stick with Royal Purple HPS oil
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:35 AM
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Ran Royle Purple in my 2003 Yukon XL, 5.3 flex motor, and suffered issues. Never had a problem with Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Syntech. With my 2009 528ix I'm running Mobil 1 0W-40 with either BMW or Mann filter, one and the same. Can't beat the price at Wal-Mart. Running the same oil in my 1994 525i.
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:01 PM
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Due to 4 BMW dealers within 30 mins, I can get a dealer oil change with filter and complete I/O cleaning for $80. Not a DIY guy...
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:06 PM
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Ran Royle Purple in my 2003 Yukon XL, 5.3 flex motor, and suffered issues. Never had a problem with Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Syntech. With my 2009 528ix I'm running Mobil 1 0W-40 with either BMW or Mann filter, one and the same. Can't beat the price at Wal-Mart. Running the same oil in my 1994 525i.
I have raced a car with Royal Purple in it for 4 years, never had an engine problem and never had any deposits or sludge whatsoever. Heck, since it was a Honda motor I didn't even have to rebuild in 4 seasons, clutch - yes, suspension - yes, engine? didn't even worry about it.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:49 PM
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Maintenance keeps the cars performing, yea just do it
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:36 AM
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I prevailed upon my local Dallas SAM's to order a palate of 0w-40.
After a tad over a week & not seeing it in the auto section I ask a manager & was told to go meet an employee by the Oil section.

Sure enough high up on the shelf was a palate. No sign or price @ all.

Rang up @ $36.57 for 6. NW Hwy. & Skillman location for those in my area.
Store #6327

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Old 02-20-2013, 05:04 AM
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Mobil 1 Ow-40 is now available in 5 quart jugs at Advance Auto.

I had them price match Walmart's individial quart price of $6.97 so it totaled $34.85 for the jug.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:09 AM
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You guys are lucky, everytime i change oil i get 7QTS of Mobil 0W-40 for around $90.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:20 AM
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You guys are lucky, everytime i change oil i get 7QTS of Mobil 0W-40 for around $90.
Where are you located?
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:01 AM
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Where are you located?
Central America/ South America.
I usually order my filters from USA and even including the shipping it's cheaper than the stealership.

7QTS of Mobil 1 0W-40 + Mann 816x Filter = $105
I change the oil by myself, Indy charges $25 just for the labor . . .

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Old 02-20-2013, 04:51 PM
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Hey Guys,

What about a tool to remove the oil filter cap? Isnt there one involved in the process? Looking forward to my first oil change. NOT waiting for the 15K change.

I have a BMW maint warrenty. I guess I should document enough to get the dealer to honor the every 15 K oil change even if I change it every 5K. Comments on this please?


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Old 02-20-2013, 06:50 PM
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Hey Guys,

What about a tool to remove the oil filter cap? Isnt there one involved in the process? Looking forward to my first oil change. NOT waiting for the 15K change.

I have a BMW maint warrenty. I guess I should document enough to get the dealer to honor the every 15 K oil change even if I change it every 5K. Comments on this please?


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Simply change it at 7.5k by yourself and let the dealer do the 15k one for you, just dont tell them . . . why should they know?
7.5K between oil changes is enough IMO
Regarding the oil filter cap tool, yes there are a few out there. I bought mine from Amazon for around $20.00. It works perfectly, i've already used it in a N52, a N54 and a N55 without any problems.

This is the one i got: (Very solid and will last a lifetime, you won't ever need another tool until BMW changes their oil cap design)
http://www.amazon.com/Assenmacher-Sp...+filter+wrench
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:05 AM
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Simply change it at 7.5k by yourself and let the dealer do the 15k one for you, just dont tell them . . . why should they know?
7.5K between oil changes is enough IMO
Regarding the oil filter cap tool, yes there are a few out there. I bought mine from Amazon for around $20.00. It works perfectly, i've already used it in a N52, a N54 and a N55 without any problems.

This is the one i got: (Very solid and will last a lifetime, you won't ever need another tool until BMW changes their oil cap design)
http://www.amazon.com/Assenmacher-Sp...+filter+wrench
Bam!! oil filter cap removal tool bought in 45 sec thanks to your timely help. So cool these days to get stuff quickly like that. I have been going nuts worrying about the 15K oil change.....it just did not seem right. I have to make sure the oil has staying power as my style of driving is the worst for the oil longivity. 7.5 K it is.

Thanks for the reply. Going to Walmart for 7 qts of Mobil 1 0-40
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:52 PM
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Bam!! oil filter cap removal tool bought in 45 sec thanks to your timely help. So cool these days to get stuff quickly like that. I have been going nuts worrying about the 15K oil change.....it just did not seem right. I have to make sure the oil has staying power as my style of driving is the worst for the oil longivity. 7.5 K it is.

Thanks for the reply. Going to Walmart for 7 qts of Mobil 1 0-40
No problem man.
M1 0W-40 can handle 7.5K OCI's easily so you don't have anything to worry about, just get a good oil filter. (Either Original or OEM)
Just FYI, the dealer usually uses BMW 5W-30 which according to people is made by Castrol. There was a PDF from Castrol itself confirming this. Let me try to find it.

EDIT: Found it


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