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Old 02-16-2013, 02:42 PM
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Hi all,

I'm getting ready for a new car. I've got an E90 328i xDrive manual, with the Cold Weather and Premium Packages, and my lease is coming up.

Looks like I'll be pulling the trigger on a new 2013 335i xDrive with all these crazy lease deals flying around.

I'm thinking about one of these two builds:

Common to both builds-

Cold Weather
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Manual Transmission

Option A:

M-Sport

Option B:

Sport Line
Dynamic Handling Package

Any thoughts on one versus the other?
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:32 PM
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I'm thinking about one of these two builds:

Common to both builds-

Cold Weather
Premium Package
Manual Transmission

Option A:

M-Sport

Option B:

Sport Line
Dynamic Handling Package

Any thoughts on one versus the other?
The xDrive comes with standard suspension only, for the upgraded suspension you must get DHP. I personally like the sport red trim, option 2
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:57 PM
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:50 PM
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Hi all,

I'm getting ready for a new car. I've got an E90 328i xDrive manual, with the Cold Weather and Premium Packages, and my lease is coming up.

Looks like I'll be pulling the trigger on a new 2013 335i xDrive with all these crazy lease deals flying around.

I'm thinking about one of these two builds:

Common to both builds-

Cold Weather
Premium Package
Manual Transmission

Option A:

M-Sport

Option B:

Sport Line
Dynamic Handling Package

Any thoughts on one versus the other?
You will not get sport suspensioon on either one sport or msport if you get an xdrive, therefore DHP is a must for an xdrive. I wish i got it on mine, but i did not. Everyone who has it loves it. Search the forums.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:59 AM
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Why not option C, M Sport + DHP.

Shouldn't cost you all that much extra on a lease.
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Why not option C, M Sport + DHP.

Shouldn't cost you all that much extra on a lease.
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The only difference between M-sport and sport is the aesthetic front bumper, a slightly different steering wheel, and the option to choose different wheels when you order. You didn't mention the wheels so I'm assuming you're not concerned about that.

The DHP is a really important option, especially if you are getting xdrive. xdrive cars do not get the sport suspension that RWD cars do.
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Ok, makes sense. Thanks for your advice everyone!!

I'm going with Sport Line + DHP.
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Ok, I have read this thread a couple of times and I am still not sure about something. As far as purformace and sporty "feel" goes, what is the main difference between a 335 x drive with DHP and a rear wheel 335i with DHP? Asked another way, I am wondering if you get as much bang for your buck with the DHP option if you opt for an x Drive or is the x drive going to cancel out aspects of the DHP. I'm not too worried about dropping the extra 1K on DHP at this point, but I do not want to do so without having a complete understanding of how it interplays with my decision to opt for or against x drive.

Also, I live in Michigan, so I am either going to do x drive with A/S tires OR do away with x drive and get a dedicated set of snow tires (I see that there are so many great options for snow tires and decent looking rims). If I go with the latter of the two, would it be better to do performance tires instead of A/S. Only problem with that is I am doing an early April ED and am not excited about renting snow tires. Have to make up my mind by Monday, as this car will be going into productions soon.
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You and I are in the same boat. Here's what I've learned in my car search so far - some relevant to your search, some not.

1) Performance tires are very good for summer, but bad for winter. All-seasons are OK all the time, but never excel at anything. I've got a 328 with xDrive and all-seasons, and I had better traction in the rain when I was using Michelin Pilot Sport all season tires on a FWD car I had years ago. The xDrive is bulletproof in the snow, and I live with an uphill driveway. The other drawback with performance tires is that they wear out faster, so you'll probably have to replace them more often.

2) I'm still SO torn between packages. DHP appears to be a must-have, since xDrive cars without it have a standard suspension even if you have the Sport Line or the M Sport packages. This, BTW, is a something robbery - it means that for the most part, the Sport Line + the M Sport Line are mostly cosmetic in AWD BMWs, and that's a shame.

3) I drive with my fog lights on all the time, and the US version of the M Sport package deletes them. Not really clear why, since European M Sports keep the fogs.

4) The interior options are still driving me bonkers. I love the two-tone black/beige interior in my 2011 328, but that is now only possible with the Sport Line. Black/Beige/MSport? Impossible. And annoying.

5) My 2011 328 xDrive drives much more like a RWD car (including sliding into corners) than any AWD car I've ever driven. I'm expecting similar behavior from a 2013 335 xDrive.

6) I love my Montego Blue 328i. The only color that comes close is the M-Sport exclusive blue ... but damn, that's a lot to pay for a color.
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Ok, I have read this thread a couple of times and I am still not sure about something. As far as purformace and sporty "feel" goes, what is the main difference between a 335 x drive with DHP and a rear wheel 335i with DHP? Asked another way, I am wondering if you get as much bang for your buck with the DHP option if you opt for an x Drive or is the x drive going to cancel out aspects of the DHP. I'm not too worried about dropping the extra 1K on DHP at this point, but I do not want to do so without having a complete understanding of how it interplays with my decision to opt for or against x drive.

Also, I live in Michigan, so I am either going to do x drive with A/S tires OR do away with x drive and get a dedicated set of snow tires (I see that there are so many great options for snow tires and decent looking rims). If I go with the latter of the two, would it be better to do performance tires instead of A/S. Only problem with that is I am doing an early April ED and am not excited about renting snow tires. Have to make up my mind by Monday, as this car will be going into productions soon.
I think the only way you can decide this is test drive cars with above options yourself. Different people will have different perceptions on this.
It has been said on forums that sport mode with DHP is as stiff or even stiffer than sport suspension on RWD. Don't forget that DHP gives you the ability to configure modes to your liking, you can have stiff suspension and stiff steering with normal throttle response. I think adaptive suspension will become standard in near future on majority of cars.
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I am opting for the 335 sport line. And I am pretty sure that I will go with x-drive. So what gets taken away (M suspension) by getting x-drive, can that be added back with DHP? That is what I am wondering.
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I am opting for the 335 sport line. And I am pretty sure that I will go with x-drive. So what gets taken away (M suspension) by getting x-drive, can that be added back with DHP? That is what I am wondering.
DHP is the only option you have. Otherwise you will get a super soft xdrive suspension. I came from rwd e90 with stock suspension and stock f30 xdrive feels like a lexus in comparison.
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Ok, I have read this thread a couple of times and I am still not sure about something. As far as purformace and sporty "feel" goes, what is the main difference between a 335 x drive with DHP and a rear wheel 335i with DHP? Asked another way, I am wondering if you get as much bang for your buck with the DHP option if you opt for an x Drive or is the x drive going to cancel out aspects of the DHP. I'm not too worried about dropping the extra 1K on DHP at this point, but I do not want to do so without having a complete understanding of how it interplays with my decision to opt for or against x drive.

Also, I live in Michigan, so I am either going to do x drive with A/S tires OR do away with x drive and get a dedicated set of snow tires (I see that there are so many great options for snow tires and decent looking rims). If I go with the latter of the two, would it be better to do performance tires instead of A/S. Only problem with that is I am doing an early April ED and am not excited about renting snow tires. Have to make up my mind by Monday, as this car will be going into productions soon.
Hello bmwesq, I live in Michigan and got the AWD but I commute over 70 miles daily and travel through the state regularly so I use the AWD. The differences between xDrive and the RWD versions are the following:

RWD: M-sport, Sport or DHP Option all lower the vehicle 10mm from the base. The 335i RWD is 51.5%/48.5% F/R weight distribution. The RWD will not dive as much in the corners with DHP because of the lighter weight on the front and lower center of gravity (this is a 20mm lower than AWD, nearly 1"!).

AWD: raises all F30's 10mm from the base, the DHP Option in AWD does not lower the car (that is 20mm higher than the RWD). Additionally, the AWD adds over 120 lbs, ALL on the front end! Without the DHP you get standard suspension in the AWD on ALL models! This also changes the weight distribution to 52.6%/47.4% F/R.

The AWD version is $2,000 more or you can get the RWD and get a dedicated set of wheels. Being in Michigan, the AWD does help get you through the snow but the question is does the dozen or more days for only three months a year justify the AWD? If you want the higher performance handling go with the RWD as the lower center of gravity and lighter front end will certainly handle much better and you get the sport suspension upgrade with M-sport or Sport but can upgrade to the DHP, however, if you get the AWD, you have to get the DHP or you will have the standard AWD softer suspension.
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the DHP Option in AWD does not lower the car (that is 20mm higher than the RWD).

The AWD version is $2,000 more or you can get the RWD and get a dedicated set of wheels. Being in Michigan, the AWD does help get you through the snow but the question is does the dozen or more days for only three months a year justify the AWD? If you want the higher performance handling go with the RWD as the lower center of gravity and lighter front end will certainly handle much better and you get the sport suspension upgrade with M-sport or Sport but can upgrade to the DHP, however, if you get the AWD, you have to get the DHP or you will have the standard AWD softer suspension.
Ken -

Thanks for your response. you answered my question about whether DHP will re-lower (so to speak) the car. As for the AWD v RWD, man it is a tough one for me. I know that the x drive will provide a great all around 365 day a year drive. My situation is a bit different from yours because my wife will be driving this car much less in the snow. She only drives 20 miles round trip to work. Works as a teacher, so she is off for 3 weeks in the winter and when it is really bad out she doesn't have to go to school. When it does snow, she can take my 4x4 Tahoe to work and I drive the bimmer 2 miles to my work. Heck, we could probably get away with RWD with A/S tires (not that I would ever do that consiering snow tire and rims is less than 2K). I know that I am not going to get AWD and snow tires - we don't need all that.

Perhaps I am over analyzing this. Do I really need to build this car to be a peak performance car? Probably not. I just don't want to regret building this car a certain way. Perhaps the x drive with the DHP is a happy medium??
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Couple things to consider:

1. xDrive suspension sits just over 0.5" higher than the RWD sport suspension.

2. xDrive/AWD doesn't magically make all-seasons better. They still suck in anything more than a dusting of snow. TireRack has an article in their tech section addressing this very topic and how AWD isn't some magic cure-all to get around putting on dedicated snows. I call tow trucks for winch-outs out of the ditch for cars during snow storms, and I see a lot of Subarus, Audis and other AWD cars going into the ditch, along with a lot of compact SUVs. They all have had all-season tires. To this date, I still am not aware of any car I've encountered in the ditch with dedicated snow tires in good serviceable condition with proper tread depth. If you're going to get AWD for the snow, why not get snow tires? All seasons for BMWs are basically just rain tires, or "Seattle" tires.
You can go on TireRack and get a dedicated winter 17" setup with Blizzak WS70 tires, along with free mounting and TPMS sensors for about $1300.

3. M Sport package is basically just cosmetic. You don't get anything mechanically that you don't get with the Sport line. It's just different aero, wheels and a different steering wheel. It's the same suspension in both. They both have either the same sport suspension or same xDrive suspension.

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Ken -

Thanks for your response. you answered my question about whether DHP will re-lower (so to speak) the car. As for the AWD v RWD, man it is a tough one for me. I know that the x drive will provide a great all around 365 day a year drive. My situation is a bit different from yours because my wife will be driving this car much less in the snow. She only drives 20 miles round trip to work. Works as a teacher, so she is off for 3 weeks in the winter and when it is really bad out she doesn't have to go to school. When it does snow, she can take my 4x4 Tahoe to work and I drive the bimmer 2 miles to my work. Heck, we could probably get away with RWD with A/S tires (not that I would ever do that consiering snow tire and rims is less than 2K). I know that I am not going to get AWD and snow tires - we don't need all that.

Perhaps I am over analyzing this. Do I really need to build this car to be a peak performance car? Probably not. I just don't want to regret building this car a certain way. Perhaps the x drive with the DHP is a happy medium??
Since it is your better half driving the vehicle full time, unless she is really into the "driving" part of the car (that is agressive driving), get the AWD for her and the DHP for you! (so when you get to drive, hit the Sport Driving button & DHP Button it will really wake it up, it will make you want to get her gas for her) Having driven two wheel drive vehicles and AWD, I can say the BMW AWD is better than many vehicles I have ever driven in the snow, including a Tahoe, primarily due to the advanced traction control. The all season tires are really not that bad IMHO especially compared to the tires from a few years back.
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I've heard the DHP is wicked worth it.

You're getting the same suspension otherwise, just a bunch of body moulding with the M Sport.
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Hi all,

I'm getting ready for a new car. I've got an E90 328i xDrive manual, with the Cold Weather and Premium Packages, and my lease is coming up.

Looks like I'll be pulling the trigger on a new 2013 335i xDrive with all these crazy lease deals flying around.

I'm thinking about one of these two builds:

Common to both builds-

Cold Weather
Premium Package
Manual Transmission

Option A:

M-Sport

Option B:

Sport Line
Dynamic Handling Package

Any thoughts on one versus the other?
Option C:

- No 335i.

- No XDrive.

- Build a 328i fully loaded to the gills for the same money.

I lived in NH for the last 13 years and drove RWD 3 Series for 3 of those years and a really good set of snow tires is all you need, especially in Boston. The new 4 cyilnder engine produces a much faster, much better ride, the transmission and the torque would make you think you're driving a 335i it's that significantly different than the 328i you're used to.

Peel away that $9,000 and get yourself DHP and TECH and LIGHTING packages, the rear camera, PDC, and the rest of your option list and you're all set.

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Hahahaha, I like you furb, you like to live dangerously.
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I started to google to find a picture to match furby's suggestion to Gia, but it quickly became clear it was an inappropriate search to conduct at work.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:48 PM
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I've driven 328i. Great cars, but i want the 335i
You test drove a 2013 F30 328i?

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