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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 02-18-2013, 10:24 AM
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Not sure if you have driven an F30 X-Drive. IMO it's feels lighter, more agile plus the suspension seems more planted than a E90/92. I don't think the extra weight of the F31 will make that much of a difference. Regarding MPG that stat has more to do with the driver.
have not driven an F30 at all yet, nope. i'll give the xDrive a try. what bothered me the most was the noticeable increase in engine/powertrain braking. felt like i had to keep on the gas much more to compensate for the extra friction.

curious how it would feel with Adaptive M suspension... i'll dig around the forums now for comments.

hm, i wonder if there's any insurance discount in the NE for having AWD... probably only a few bucks a month if at all but hey, i'll take what i can get.
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Seems to me that the F31 & F34 will cannibalize sales from each other. The're not that different. If the F34 really arrives as promised, it could take the RWD buyer from the wagon market.
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Seems to me that the F31 & F34 will cannibalize sales from each other. The're not that different. If the F34 really arrives as promised, it could take the RWD buyer from the wagon market.
Totally agree. I would have never considered the GT until I saw the pics and I have to say I am a bit intrigued by it. Since it can be had with 335i and RWD, I would have to consider it.
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Totally agree. I would have never considered the GT until I saw the pics and I have to say I am a bit intrigued by it. Since it can be had with 335i and RWD, I would have to consider it.
At this point, I believe the GT is also x-drive, only.

Dang, I'd be more than happy with the current 128, in 5-door HB form, with the I6 engine and M6 trans. The ONLY reason my 128 left the garage was that after two years, two doors and no hatch just got too annoying.
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F31 ED Price Estimate

I'm hoping to put an ED order for an F31 soon as we're able. Has anyone been able to do it yet?

And here's my estimate for the best possible deal with European Delivery. An F31 configured at 56,270 should probably sell for approximately 49,919 (about 11% off MSRP) plus reasonable doc and dealer fees. I believe ED Invoice is US Wholesale minus 7%, but it may be as low as 8%. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And sorry for the format. I've attached a JPG that lays out the numbers better.

328ix Sport Wagon ED Invoice US MSRP US Invoice
Base Price 35,850 41,450 38,549
B39 Metallic 500 550 500
ZPP Premium Package 2,002 2,200 2,002
ZLL Luxury Line 2,093 2,300 2,093
ZCW Cold Weather Package 865 950 865
ZDA Driver Assistance Package 1,730 1,900 1,730
ZDH Dynamic Handling Package 910 1,000 910
ZTP Technology Package 2,730 3,000 2,730
ZLP Lighting Package 820 900 820
5AC Automatic High Beams 228 250 228
688 Harmon Kardon Premium Sound 796 875 796
Destination & Handling 895 895 895
Offer to Dealer Over Wholesale 500 n/a n/a
Total ED Wholesale Cost 49,919 56,270 52,117
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I've attached a screen shot from the Price Sheet, comparing MSRP of US delivery versus Euro Delivery.
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I've attached a screen shot from the Price Sheet, comparing MSRP of US delivery versus Euro Delivery.
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And this is what I based my numbers on. I assumed US Invoice at 7% off MSRP and ED Invoice 7% off US Invoice.
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Hi Dorkus, Bimmerfest forum people.

Thanks for starting this thread. New to the forum. From where I'm sitting the new F31 would be ideal, especially if we get the -d, but with the mileage I do per year (under 15 k-miles), it's not a deal breaker for me.

I sold my E90 323i 6MT for an Subaru Outback for space... As much as AWD is fantastic in the winter and 8.9'' of ground clearance mind boggling, I miss the 323i. The number of times AWD is acutally useful is only 3 or 4 days per year. Rest of the time I can avoid the bad weather and hope that we can get a F31 RWD!

I agree with Eric Genname, I hope the wagon starts a bit lower, cause here in Canada, we had 1 model of the touring which was a 328i with x-drive fully loaded (47k$) while the base 323i (both the E9x models) was 34 k$... That's 13k$ difference, so a big hole in the budget. My ideal would be a basic F31 with or without x-drive and then BMW should let me choose the (expensive) packages I want/need ON MY OWN, no pre-packaged models... :P

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I've attached a screen shot from the Price Sheet, comparing MSRP of US delivery versus Euro Delivery.
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Just as a comparison I checked the ED price for 2011 328xiT Munich Pick-up and the $38,600 listed here is quite a big bump up from the $33,410 than it was for the E91 328xiT two years ago.

Then for kicks and grins I checked the ED base price of the 2003 E46 325iT that we picked up and found it was $25,725.

I like the F31 a lot (certainly compared to the abominable looking 3GT), but ultimately would have to configure it with way less options than the '11 328iT the frau wound up with, because as much as I love Tourings there's just no way I'm plunking down anywhere close to $50k for one.

Though we lose the lovely ED trip in the future, it appears from here on out CPO is the way to go for us as long as the wagon continues in the NA lineup.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:31 AM
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Just as a comparison I checked the ED price for 2011 328xiT Munich Pick-up and the $38,600 listed here is quite a big bump up from the $33,410 than it was for the E91 328xiT two years ago.

Then for kicks and grins I checked the ED base price of the 2003 E46 325iT that we picked up and found it was $25,725.

I like the F31 a lot (certainly compared to the abominable looking 3GT), but ultimately would have to configure it with way less options than the '11 328iT the frau wound up with, because as much as I love Tourings there's just no way I'm plunking down anywhere close to $50k for one.

Though we lose the lovely ED trip in the future, it appears from here on out CPO is the way to go for us as long as the wagon continues in the NA lineup.
Thanks for sharing the comparison. Regarding the price increase, I agree, however I'm not sure if the older models came with a long list of standard features as the F31. Looking at the price sheet BMW has rolled in most of the features found in the premium pack plus added the power rear lift gate as standard. We are considering a ED but we're not making a decision until the Tourer arrives in the showroom.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:47 AM
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Attachment 362913I'm hoping to put an ED order for an F31 soon as we're able. Has anyone been able to do it yet?

And here's my estimate for the best possible deal with European Delivery. An F31 configured at 56,270 should probably sell for approximately 49,919 (about 11% off MSRP) plus reasonable doc and dealer fees. I believe ED Invoice is US Wholesale minus 7%, but it may be as low as 8%. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And sorry for the format. I've attached a JPG that lays out the numbers better.

328ix Sport Wagon ED Invoice US MSRP US Invoice
Base Price 35,850 41,450 38,549
B39 Metallic 500 550 500
ZPP Premium Package 2,002 2,200 2,002
ZLL Luxury Line 2,093 2,300 2,093
ZCW Cold Weather Package 865 950 865
ZDA Driver Assistance Package 1,730 1,900 1,730
ZDH Dynamic Handling Package 910 1,000 910
ZTP Technology Package 2,730 3,000 2,730
ZLP Lighting Package 820 900 820
5AC Automatic High Beams 228 250 228
688 Harmon Kardon Premium Sound 796 875 796
Destination & Handling 895 895 895
Offer to Dealer Over Wholesale 500 n/a n/a
Total ED Wholesale Cost 49,919 56,270 52,117
When do you plan to pick up your ED vehicle? If you plan to pick up your vehicle after July, i think the 2013 pricing guide may not be valid. According to a CA i talked to, the 2013 model year F31 has a production run from 03/13 - 06/13. I was going to place an order for a F31 and was told since my delivery date is mid-September, and the pricing guide for the 2014 model year has not yet been released, i would not be able to place my order.
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Just off the top of my head, stuff becoming standard between 2003 and 2013:

- Auto headlights, auto wipers
- Power seats
- Auto-dim mirrors
- Power tailgate
- Bluetooth

This is basically $3K worth of options. Add $2K for xDrive. $25.7K in 2003 dollars is over $32K in 2013 dollars. So, we're talking about $37K just to replicate the features of F31 xDrive in a E46 Touring body.

Now add two really insignificant facts that F31 is the same size as E39, not E46, and that 328i has more power than E46 330i. Does $38.6K still sound too high?
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When do you plan to pick up your ED vehicle? If you plan to pick up your vehicle after July, i think the 2013 pricing guide may not be valid. According to a CA i talked to, the 2013 model year F31 has a production run from 03/13 - 06/13. I was going to place an order for a F31 and was told since my delivery date is mid-September, and the pricing guide for the 2014 model year has not yet been released, i would not be able to place my order.
This is true for pretty much any BMW model. New MY production starts at the end of July, and by September all deliveries will have switched to 2014. The right time to place that order is April-May.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:15 AM
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Just off the top of my head, stuff becoming standard between 2003 and 2013:

- Auto headlights, auto wipers
- Power seats
- Auto-dim mirrors
- Power tailgate
- Bluetooth

This is basically $3K worth of options. Add $2K for xDrive. $25.7K in 2003 dollars is over $32K in 2013 dollars. So, we're talking about $37K just to replicate the features of F31 xDrive in a E46 Touring body.

Now add two really insignificant facts that F31 is the same size as E39, not E46, and that 328i has more power than E46 330i. Does $38.6K still sound too high?
I believe you can add the Panoramic-Sun-Roof to the list.
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Hello. FYI I have a 2011 e91 coming off lease in April. An interested party could buy it from bmw off the lease at that time for $25k. I have the "ad" posted in the for sale area. Pm for more info.
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No doubt that current offerings have more in the way of standard equipment.

But personally I prefer going the ala carte method and the choice of selecting an option rather than having it shoved down my throat.

E46 had way more ala carte choices than E91 and F31

E46 even had the sultry and sweet 'Full Size Spare Tire' option.

Lucky for everyone here I happen to have both the E46 and E91 options and ED invoice prices.

Pretty much just a 'then and now' experience, if for no other real value.

Model:
2003 BMW 325iT
Base ED Pick-up Munich
$25,725
Exterior: Orient blue Metallic
$430
Interior: Natural brown Leather
$1,320

Options:
Steptronic
$1,210
Heated Front Seats
$455
Bi-Xenons
$635
Harman-Kardon
$615
Full Size Spare Tire
$230
Sport Package
$1,275
Premium Package
$1,820
Destination and Handling
$695

Total - $34,410

Model 2011 BMW 328iT
Base ED Pick-up Munich
$31,830
Exterior: Space Gray Metallic
$500
Interior: Saddle brown Leather

Options:
Steptronic
(NC)
Paddle Shifters
$90
M Sport Package
$3,418
Premium Package
$2,450
Value Package (Leather & iPod/USB)
(NC)
18" Type 193M Wheels
$545
Harmon-Kardon
$795
Heated Front Seats
$455
Rear Shades
$230
SAT Radio
$320
Xenons
$820
Destination & Handling
$875

Total - $42,328
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Being new here, what do "ED" and "CPO" mean??

I agree with you IndyMike, I too would prefer to start from base model (with a chosen motor if possible) and from there add options! In a way one of my ideal setups would be a base 335i F31 with the sport pkg, that's it! I don't care for much else, and that is one of the reasons I loved my 323i. Base model, with bluethooth and ipod connectivity, leatherette and 6MT!
But this time around, if I had the choice, I'd go with the higher output motor and the station wagon!

Going off the topic quickly,how to you like you're 1M?
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Being new here, what do "ED" and "CPO" mean??

I agree with you IndyMike, I too would prefer to start from base model (with a chosen motor if possible) and from there add options! In a way one of my ideal setups would be a base 335i F31 with the sport pkg, that's it! I don't care for much else, and that is one of the reasons I loved my 323i. Base model, with bluethooth and ipod connectivity, leatherette and 6MT!
But this time around, if I had the choice, I'd go with the higher output motor and the station wagon!

Going off the topic quickly,how to you like you're 1M?
Agreed on the desire for the higher output powerplant. It would at least be nice to have the option of the N20 or N55 engine, and if only one can be offered then make it the larger one at last.

If wagon sales remain low afterwards, then it would be hard to argue against NA pulling the line entirely.

I think they'd be surprised at the increased interest.

I think they're afraid of the potential success, and that it might cut into sales of the bread and butter sedans in both the 3 and 5 lines.

As far as the 1 M goes I think I'm finally ready to settle down with the one car for the rest of my life.

It's a vehicle that enjoys being pushed hard, and gets your pulse racing while doing so. Yet it's still docile and tame enough to not beat you up on rough roads, which lends itself to being a great daily driver.

Performance and handling is so sublime, and is as close to feeling "visceral" as anything I've driven.

For anyone interested I highly recommend it.
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At this point, I believe the GT is also x-drive, only.

Dang, I'd be more than happy with the current 128, in 5-door HB form, with the I6 engine and M6 trans. The ONLY reason my 128 left the garage was that after two years, two doors and no hatch just got too annoying.
I think I read that the GT will feature either RWD or X-Drive.
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Remember that the F31 with the 320dx (same engine that will be called 28d in the US) has been around in Europe since the F30 was introduced in the US, so the F31 you buy will not be the first F31 that the factory in Munich spits out.
Good point. I'm actually more concerned with pre-LCI cars. Being that LCI cars are the mid cycle refresh with all the updates. Typically they fix most issues by then. But then again, the 3 series hasn't really been too troublesome historically. Don't ever buy a 7 series, I'll tell you that much...hahahah
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Does anyone have an idea how the pricing of the diesel will be in comparison to the gasoline version?
no clue... i imagine it'll be yet another price premium...

don't forget the 8-speed ZF tranny is a no-cost option now too. of course, if you didn't want the slushbox to begin with, that's another matter...

ynguldyn, where did you see power seats, liftgate, etc. being standard on the touring? don't really care for power seats (love my manual ones) unless it includes driver memory, which you have to pay extra for. yay for auto-dim mirrors though... i paid a kid $80 for his auto-dim 323ci mirror back in '04 (he replaced his with a M3 mirror, obviously), but never installed it... it's still in my closet somewhere.
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