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Old 02-22-2013, 06:19 AM
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monzavifar, sounds like your mind is made up. Go buy the A8 and enjoy it.
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Was reading the story of that huge gem robbery at the Brussels airport. They mentioned that the culprits used an A8L with fake police lights, as the A8L is what Brussels security forces typically use. That's a hell of a car for a government agency to be using. Are they that much cheaper abroad?
The same price in USD here is Euro there with the difference that in Europe whole bunch of extra tax and other additional fees added to that kind of luxury car. I think less then 1% of people in western Europe can really afford that kind of car.
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There's no bad car here. And this is not marriage - it's not as though your next car can't be the new 7 series or Benz S after the A8 - especially if you lease. In fact, I sometimes like to mix things up in the garage, to experience the diversity of manufacturers.
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I took another closer look at the 750Li, this time it was an X-drive 2010 with sport package, etc. Truely after exiting my current car (2004 A8L) and entering that BMW I had the feeling that I am in a KIA or Toyota or simmilar interior. I understand the ride of a Bimmer and the great eingine and turbo charger it has but ultimately the horse power and the troque of a car is for the initial 45-60 seconds of the ride, how about the rest of the crousing time spending inside a car with rather cheap interior?!
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I took another closer look at the 750Li, this time it was an X-drive 2010 with sport package, etc. Truely after exiting my current car (2004 A8L) and entering that BMW I had the feeling that I am in a KIA or Toyota or simmilar interior. I understand the ride of a Bimmer and the great eingine and turbo charger it has but ultimately the horse power and the troque of a car is for the initial 45-60 seconds of the ride, how about the rest of the crousing time spending inside a car with rather cheap interior?!
Say what??? All this time I thought you were serious about this comparison but, in truth, you're playing with yourself inside your '04 Audi and having fantasies. Good luck with that.
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I took another closer look at the 750Li, this time it was an X-drive 2010 with sport package, etc. Truely after exiting my current car (2004 A8L) and entering that BMW I had the feeling that I am in a KIA or Toyota or simmilar interior. I understand the ride of a Bimmer and the great eingine and turbo charger it has but ultimately the horse power and the troque of a car is for the initial 45-60 seconds of the ride, how about the rest of the crousing time spending inside a car with rather cheap interior?!
Wow, your a moron!!!!
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I took another closer look at the 750Li, this time it was an X-drive 2010 with sport package, etc. Truely after exiting my current car (2004 A8L) and entering that BMW I had the feeling that I am in a KIA or Toyota or simmilar interior. I understand the ride of a Bimmer and the great eingine and turbo charger it has but ultimately the horse power and the troque of a car is for the initial 45-60 seconds of the ride, how about the rest of the crousing time spending inside a car with rather cheap interior?!
You lost me there, or you are just trolling. No human ever as said the new 7 series is on par with a Kia. That's plain insulting, and absurd to say the least. The 7 runs circles around your 2004 A8's interior, and the rest of the car for that matter. Compared to the new 8, they are playing in the same league. Stop trolling, buy the 8 and bend over and take it from the man every time you need to visit the dealer (as Audi dealers are notorious)...
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I think this comes down to you, they're both awesome cars. Technology and comfort, audi. Like your said BMW is more sporty. Your choice now
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Had a lot of us going.

'04 A8....lmao.
Seriously, huh? 2004 A8!?!?!? LMAO
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At least the guy is honest. There's nothing to be ashamed of driving an older car. I personally love some old cars - the way switchgear was implemented etc. There's a certain amount of nostalgia as well. My dream car - a 1990s Testarossa/512TR. Of course some things are probably best kept as dreams.
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At least the guy is honest. There's nothing to be ashamed of driving an older car. I personally love some old cars - the way switchgear was implemented etc. There's a certain amount of nostalgia as well. My dream car - a 1990s Testarossa/512TR. Of course some things are probably best kept as dreams.
But you don't say that a new 7 is on par with a Kia...
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At least the guy is honest. There's nothing to be ashamed of driving an older car. I personally love some old cars - the way switchgear was implemented etc. There's a certain amount of nostalgia as well. My dream car - a 1990s Testarossa/512TR. Of course some things are probably best kept as dreams.
Yes, this is true and fair! I LOVE the early and mid 1990's Mercedes E and S Class Sedans and Wagons. I love the cool and super logical instruments and the strong, click and push climate controls & IMO nothing sounds better than a pre-2000 Mercedes door being closed! THUNK!!
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Yes, this is true and fair! I LOVE the early and mid 1990's Mercedes E and S Class Sedans and Wagons. I love the cool and super logical instruments and the strong, click and push climate controls & IMO nothing sounds better than a pre-2000 Mercedes door being closed! THUNK!!
I still like the sleek look of a '90s 7 series better than mine.
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But you don't say that a new 7 is on par with a Kia...
I don't recall ever being in a Kia. So I can't comment objectively. Have you been in one lately?

It's just a matter of time. I remember when Lexus was panned and dismissed by all the luxury auto manufacturers - derivative, Toyota based etc. I doubt they dismiss Lexus as a competitor these days. The new Hyundai's are sometimes referred to as being like Lexus entering the luxury market in the late 1980s. Companies like Samsung remind me of Japanese companies of old - aggressive quick followers (I used to work for Panasonic in the 90s). When was the last time you bought a bad product made in Korea?
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i took another closer look at the 750li, this time it was an x-drive 2010 with sport package, etc. Truely after exiting my current car (2004 a8l) and entering that bmw i had the feeling that i am in a kia or toyota or simmilar interior. I understand the ride of a bimmer and the great eingine and turbo charger it has but ultimately the horse power and the troque of a car is for the initial 45-60 seconds of the ride, how about the rest of the crousing time spending inside a car with rather cheap interior?!

you are right about the interiors poor quality. The e65 interior was nicer, more refined and warmer, with more inspiration throughout. Having driven both models, the current offering is poor (the 760 interior much better), given the asking price of the car, bmw is shortchanging customers.

Guys let me ask you a question: What is the total manufacturing cost of these luxury cars (merc bimmer audi porsche) compared to the selling price? Cant they throw in nicer materials for 100k plus price tags?

They are just big money machines(auto companies); the whole thing is a joke
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Guys let me ask you a question: What is the total manufacturing cost of these luxury cars (merc bimmer audi porsche) compared to the selling price? Cant they throw in nicer materials for 100k plus price tags?
The profit margin on the 7 series doesn't allow it. The 7 is already just scraping by - I think I read somewhere that it was about 2-3%. Mind you this is taking into account development costs. So if you throw in an interior that is $5K better, then the 7 series is losing money.

The big problem is volume. Unless any update can increase sales, it's likely not worth their while to do it. Personally, I think the 7 series is too close a resemblance to the 5 series. Maybe they can do something on the next car.
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The profit margin on the 7 series doesn't allow it. The 7 is already just scraping by - I think I read somewhere that it was about 2-3%. Mind you this is taking into account development costs. So if you throw in an interior that is $5K better, then the 7 series is losing money.

The big problem is volume. Unless any update can increase sales, it's likely not worth their while to do it. Personally, I think the 7 series is too close a resemblance to the 5 series. Maybe they can do something on the next car.
Really???

Your BMW dealer or your sources have you believing that?

These $25-30K discounts they offer every year trying to move the last year's models would mean they're taking a $15-20K bath on them...lol. Simply not happening. There is plenty of mark-up in these cars....from every manufacturer.

Not only are you paying for the development, tech and features that these cars provide....you're paying a "luxury tax" for driving a flagship. They price these cars where they do....because they can. There's simply not $45K difference in this car versus the almost identical 550.
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The next generation 7-Series has finally been caught testing. Been waiting a longtime for this, considering that was it designed by the Fall 2011 and BMW usually them out running afterward within 9-12 months. Read more below from G Motors UK:

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BMW has started testing the next-generation 7 Series (G11) and here we have the very first spy photos.

The prototype is heavily disguised, with temporary lights. The front door looks very short, while the rear door seems longer compared to the current model.

The facelift of the 7 Series was just revealed last year and as the development is in very early stages the new 7 Series is not expected to hit the market before 2015.
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These $25-30K discounts they offer every year trying to move the last year's models would mean they're taking a $15-20K bath on them...lol. Simply not happening. There is plenty of mark-up in these cars....from every manufacturer.
This was from Roundel from memory. BMW makes the most on 3 and 5 series. A little on 7 series. They lose money on the 1 series. This was as of a few years ago. Overall margins are here - http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bm...s_q1_2012.html

What do you think the overall margin is on a 7 series? And I'm not talking about incremental margin.
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This was from Roundel from memory. BMW makes the most on 3 and 5 series. A little on 7 series. They lose money on the 1 series. This was as of a few years ago. Overall margins are here - http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bm...s_q1_2012.html
I still don't see where you're reading that into profit margin?

I'm bored at the airport and actually read through some of the links and financial statements that BMW puts out that you provided. As expected, I couldn't find anything regarding profit margins in regards to individual models.

The 3 series and 5 series will make them the most money by sheer volume alone.

Please point out where it suggests otherwise, as I may have missed it.
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I still don't see where you're reading that into profit margin?
Reread my post. I didn't post them. I was quoting from memory.

I searched the Internet but couldn't find the disclosures on margins by model line.
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Reread my post. I didn't post them. I was quoting from memory.

I searched the Internet but couldn't find the disclosures on margins by model line.
I was referring to the link YOU provided from the BMW group. Thought that you were including it because there was something relevant in it. Guess not.

My "source" is the fact that EVERY year, BMW offers a deep $25-30K discount on the outgoing model year for this car. If your 2-3% were correct that would mean they would be losing $15-20K for every car they hadn't sold. I just don't see it. I also don't see how this car lists for +$40K more than a 550 and there isn't significantly more profit involved.
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