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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 03-01-2013, 10:02 AM
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One thing I wish BMW do is lowering the price of their performance suspension cost of $6,500. It lowers the car by 20mm, 10mm more than sport and M sport suspensions.

To put it in perspective, Porsche offers similar suspension upgrades on the 911, the first tier lowers the body by 10mm at a little over $2k, the second tier lowers the body by 20mm for a little under $3k. Not only that, the lowered suspensions also come with PASM included, similar to (but more advanced than) the BMW DHP. BMW charges $1k for DHP separately unless you order a base model with DHP only, which gets 10mm lowered body also.
I am unsure of where you are getting your pricing from. We now have three members who just got the performance suspension installed.

It's about $2k parts and labor. Do not forget the 20% CCA discount or when my dealer offers at cost pricing of 30-49% off.
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Old 03-01-2013, 11:43 AM
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I am unsure of where you are getting your pricing from. We now have three members who just got the performance suspension installed.

It's about $2k parts and labor. Do not forget the 20% CCA discount or when my dealer offers at cost pricing of 30-49% off.
I saw the MSRP some time ago. Is this the same BMW performance suspension that lowers the car 20mm compared to the base model?
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Old 03-01-2013, 11:46 AM
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I saw the MSRP some time ago. Is this the same BMW performance suspension that lowers the car 20mm compared to the base model?
Yeah.

There is an up to date price list as well as how many hours are on the books to install.

Like I said, on the other forum 3+ people have now done the swap. It does cost a few hundred more when you do not have the Sport/M-Sport to start as you have to add those sway bars.

Nowhere, at no time has this upgrade cost $6500 installed.
This will only cost a small premium over aftermarket parts.

Typically, I would pay about $500-750 for a set of Konis, $200-250 for a set of springs, so $1000-1500 installed typically. So you will pay a premium to have the BMW warranty...not a multi-thousand dollar premium.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:02 PM
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Yeah.

There is an up to date price list as well as how many hours are on the books to install.

Like I said, on the other forum 3+ people have now done the swap. It does cost a few hundred more when you do not have the Sport/M-Sport to start as you have to add those sway bars.

Nowhere, at no time has this upgrade cost $6500 installed.
This will only cost a small premium over aftermarket parts.

Typically, I would pay about $500-750 for a set of Konis, $200-250 for a set of springs, so $1000-1500 installed typically. So you will pay a premium to have the BMW warranty...not a multi-thousand dollar premium.
Ok I was thinking installed at the port of entry, so it is part of the lease deal.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:09 PM
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Ok I was thinking installed at the port of entry, so it is part of the lease deal.
Even so, any dealer who quotes port installed $6500 is crazy. I would say $2500 tops.
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Bone stock. I think they are working on bolt ons to work on stage 2. There is also a feature called "smart octane" that will auto adjust for octane. It will run on 87 and gain 30 each for hp and tq.
Their "Smart Octane" setup could be nothing more than knock sensors.

If the computer detects knock because of bad/low octane gas, it retards the timing to get rid of the knock. If you run better gas, it lets the computer add the timing and/or boost to make more power. It does the same thing concerning IAT's (Intake Air Temps).

That's partially why meth helps too. It adds alcohol (meth), which is a higher octane fuel and allows boost/timing to be added, which in turn helps IAT's. Which, in turn, helps make power. Once again, in the tune, you set it up that if your IAT's go above a certain point, it will retard timing/boost/etc. This is a fail safe in case the meth pump fails. I could go on, but I've hi-jacked this thread enough already.

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One thing I wish BMW do is lowering the price of their performance suspension cost of $6,500. It lowers the car by 20mm, 10mm more than sport and M sport suspensions.

To put it in perspective, Porsche offers similar suspension upgrades on the 911, the first tier lowers the body by 10mm at a little over $2k, the second tier lowers the body by 20mm for a little under $3k. Not only that, the lowered suspensions also come with PASM included, similar to (but more advanced than) the BMW DHP. BMW charges $1k for DHP separately unless you order a base model with DHP only, which gets 10mm lowered body also.
Can you Please tell me what DHP is?

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Old 03-01-2013, 12:59 PM
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That is pretty on topic considering some of the other replies lol..DHP is the dynamic handling package.
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Their "Smart Octane" setup could be nothing more than knock sensors.

If the computer detects knock because of bad/low octane gas, it retards the timing to get rid of the knock. If you run better gas, it lets the computer add the timing and/or boost to make more power. It does the same thing concerning IAT's (Intake Air Temps).

That's partially why meth helps too. It adds alcohol (meth), which is a higher octane fuel and allows boost/timing to be added, which in turn helps IAT's. Which, in turn, helps make power. Once again, in the tune, you set it up that if your IAT's go above a certain point, it will retard timing/boost/etc. This is a fail safe in case the meth pump fails. I could go on, but I've hi-jacked this thread enough already.

Sorry about that and now back to our regularly scheduled program!



Can you Please tell me what DHP is?

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Their "Smart Octane" setup could be nothing more than knock sensors.

If the computer detects knock because of bad/low octane gas, it retards the timing to get rid of the knock. If you run better gas, it lets the computer add the timing and/or boost to make more power. It does the same thing concerning IAT's (Intake Air Temps).

That's partially why meth helps too. It adds alcohol (meth), which is a higher octane fuel and allows boost/timing to be added, which in turn helps IAT's. Which, in turn, helps make power. Once again, in the tune, you set it up that if your IAT's go above a certain point, it will retard timing/boost/etc. This is a fail safe in case the meth pump fails. I could go on, but I've hi-jacked this thread enough already.

Sorry about that and now back to our regularly scheduled program!



Can you Please tell me what DHP is?

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I think it utilizes knock sensors in ATS, but I never heard tuners mentioning the same for the F30. Could be that BMW is making it more difficult for the tuners.
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That is pretty on topic considering some of the other replies lol..DHP is the dynamic handling package.
lol...Thanks!

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I think it utilizes knock sensors in ATS, but I never heard tuners mentioning the same for the F30. Could be that BMW is making it more difficult for the tuners.
Thanks!

That's a possibility!

The source code seems to be top secret on these cars, unlike GM products (which is where I come from) that have tuning software that allows us to tune our own cars. Until someone "Cracks the code" and then writes programs for individuals to use, we're at the mercy of tuners, such as Dinan and such.

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GM, for which I give them credit, tunes their caddy's to run safely on 87 so that they can advertise it can take 87 though best performance comes with 93. That is the "smart octane" system - knock sensors alone simply react to knock events. GM's system, from what I understand (and this is not from first hand knowledge), adjusts to the octane prior to knock events occuring. Don't know how.

...

On the tune: I'm not impressed yet. e85 is freaking ambrosia and can easily result in an extra 50 hp/tq compared to 93 octane at these levels. It's SOOO knock resistant.

Show me the regular gas tunes today Really good info on the intakes.

My recent test drive of a 6-speed manual f30 328i showed me it doesn't have enough power for me in everyday driving. Very excited to see where it goes with development.
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The at stage 1 did 263whp/291tq on pump, the 93 dyno runs are coming in the next week BMS said. 275whp/300tq is a good estimate. Considering that is equal to an 335 and weights 150lbs less, it's decent.

I plan in cracking 300/300 and calling it a day.

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GM, for which I give them credit, tunes their caddy's to run safely on 87 so that they can advertise it can take 87 though best performance comes with 93. That is the "smart octane" system - knock sensors alone simply react to knock events. GM's system, from what I understand (and this is not from first hand knowledge), adjusts to the octane prior to knock events occuring. Don't know how.

...

On the tune: I'm not impressed yet. e85 is freaking ambrosia and can easily result in an extra 50 hp/tq compared to 93 octane at these levels. It's SOOO knock resistant.

Show me the regular gas tunes today Really good info on the intakes.

My recent test drive of a 6-speed manual f30 328i showed me it doesn't have enough power for me in everyday driving. Very excited to see where it goes with development.
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Yeah, I'm looking for 300whp/300+wtq with a tune and maybe a downpipe or similar bolt-ons with solid AFRs, emissions, etc.

If it can pull that at 3400-3500 pounds, then the new m3 would have to offer serious reason to pay an extra $18-24k for an everyday sports car/track toy.
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Yeah, I'm looking for 300whp/300+wtq with a tune and maybe a downpipe or similar bolt-ons with solid AFRs, emissions, etc.

If it can pull that at 3400-3500 pounds, then the new m3 would have to offer serious reason to pay an extra $18-24k for an everyday sports car/track toy.
I am confident I will nab mid 4's and high 12's at 106+ when it's all said and done. E46 M3 numbers out of a 2.0.

The new M3 will replace it lol. Because it will likely be a beast with a couple of bolt ons and approach 500whp for a grand or two.
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Show me the regular gas tunes today Really good info on the intakes.
I mentioned earlier the tuner added 30 each for hp and tq on ATS 2.0T using 87 fuel. Clearly timing had to be retarded with 87, what else did they do to get the 30 power gains, compared to stock with 92 I presume?
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