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Old 12-27-2012, 10:41 AM
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How were your Snow Tires?

Nice snowfall yesterday and finally tried the dealer installed Pirellis under heavy snow. Still better than driving without snows. I felt they could have been better, still felt some slipping.

Any opinions about your X3 driving experiences with Snow Tires?
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:57 PM
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Pirellis are garbage for snow...
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:58 PM
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Pirellis are garbage for snow...
I believe TireRack surveys might disagree.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:18 PM
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hmm, I have them on the car so I feel qualified to offer my real life opinion. Nokian and Blizzak are much better for snow.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:03 PM
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hmm, I have them on the car so I feel qualified to offer my real life opinion. Nokian and Blizzak are much better for snow.
OK, I wasn't debating whether Nokian or Blizzak are better, just that the Pirelli's (with the BMW snow package) are not garbage according to the TireRack suveys,... HOWEVER! I just realized I was looking at surveys for the non-run-flat version of the Winter Sottozero Series II, not the run-flat version. So, you may well be right about it. Sorry for my confusion.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:30 PM
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I had the Nokians before on another vehicle and they are fantastic. I feel Pirellis could have given more grip, but it could be the road conditions were less than ideal. Purposely went through the slicker road surfaces to test their ability. More snow this weekend, but not impressed.

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Old 12-27-2012, 03:46 PM
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Pirellis snows on my 2013 X3 35i with M package did a great job last night going to work just outside of Buffalo. X3 was like aTank !
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:25 PM
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Pirellis snows on my 2013 X3 35i with M package did a great job last night going to work just outside of Buffalo. X3 was like aTank !
Were they from the BMW Winter tire/wheel package (i.e. run flats) or the non-run-flats.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:35 PM
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Our RF tires were from the dealer and felt they could have been better. Lots of slippage, but the vehicle ran really well.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:05 AM
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We had a big snow storm last week and my non-run flat Blizzaks were great.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:12 AM
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RF package !
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:20 AM
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RF package !
So at least someone feels the BMW package with RF Pirelli's does a decent job. I wish there was survey data on TireRack for the RF like there is for the non-RF version (which actually had good data).
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:40 AM
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Finally, I maneged a control experiment.

I had Winters on the past two years, but given a like-for-like set of conditions, when you have them on you don't know what the opposite would be like ... UNLESS you took them off early one year due to pending storage issues.

Soooo, earlier this year I had my winters on my X3. That thing rocked, it was very difficult to phase it, even with 3-4 inch snow, and I live in a very hilly area. Even without snow the traction was great on cold/icy roads. Almost like spiderman, that car could climb up icy walls! (not really ;-)

So, when I had to take them off a couple of weeks back, I was like "ohhhh, no snow to test out X3 on summers". However in cold conditions I did notice the traction light coming on more, and slight slippage when flooring it round a bend (whereas before with the same bend and same conditions was rock solid).

Then came the snow again ...

Jesus, I'm surprised anyone dares drive in snow/ice WITHOUT winters. The difference is bloody incredible. I have very little confidence in the car with the Pirelli P0 summers on. Downhill ain't sooo bad, the HDC helps a little, although I did manage to phase that on a steep hill (I wasn't used to skidding downhill towards a junction :-/). Uphill same again, very little grip, just exactly like on the BMW sales promo vid for why you should ride winters. Don't get me wrong, it's nowhere near as bad as the Mercedes C-Class I used to drive, that was just a joke. It was just very, very unsure on the road.

Therefore, a great test. There's no way I'm going through next year without winters on, and I'm keeping them on till the last possible moment this time.

Hope that helps.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:42 AM
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BTW,

Winter=dunlop wintersport 3d
Summer=Pirello P0
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:46 AM
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RFT Pirellis

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so at least someone feels the bmw package with rf pirelli's does a decent job. I wish there was survey data on tirerack for the rf like there is for the non-rf version (which actually had good data).
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:04 AM
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I realize that this is not an opinion many of you share, but the all seasons that came stock from BMW: Goodyear LS performed quite well. We're a ski family and there wasn't a single issue of the tires slipping in snowy conditions. We have a 130' driveway with about a 45 degree slope and no issues going up or down.

With many of you complaining about how bad you thought the all seassons were I was concerned before I purchased the new X3. The combination of XDrive and all season tires in New Jersey works for us.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:06 AM
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Any snow tire will slip depending on many factors. Expect the unexpected and you will be safer with any snow tire IMHO
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:44 PM
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We just had literally about 1 foot of snow yesterday in a freak Spring storm and my Perelli P-Sotto run-flats were fine. In fact we have had a record year for snow and the tires are fine, but then I'm not trying to drive as aggressively in the winter as in the summer either.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:17 PM
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Finally, I maneged a control experiment.

I had Winters on the past two years, but given a like-for-like set of conditions, when you have them on you don't know what the opposite would be like ... UNLESS you took them off early one year due to pending storage issues.

Soooo, earlier this year I had my winters on my X3. That thing rocked, it was very difficult to phase it, even with 3-4 inch snow, and I live in a very hilly area. Even without snow the traction was great on cold/icy roads. Almost like spiderman, that car could climb up icy walls! (not really ;-)

So, when I had to take them off a couple of weeks back, I was like "ohhhh, no snow to test out X3 on summers". However in cold conditions I did notice the traction light coming on more, and slight slippage when flooring it round a bend (whereas before with the same bend and same conditions was rock solid).

Then came the snow again ...

Jesus, I'm surprised anyone dares drive in snow/ice WITHOUT winters. The difference is bloody incredible. I have very little confidence in the car with the Pirelli P0 summers on. Downhill ain't sooo bad, the HDC helps a little, although I did manage to phase that on a steep hill (I wasn't used to skidding downhill towards a junction :-/). Uphill same again, very little grip, just exactly like on the BMW sales promo vid for why you should ride winters. Don't get me wrong, it's nowhere near as bad as the Mercedes C-Class I used to drive, that was just a joke. It was just very, very unsure on the road.

Therefore, a great test. There's no way I'm going through next year without winters on, and I'm keeping them on till the last possible moment this time.

Hope that helps.
I have the complete opposite experience. My '09 C300 Sport 4Matic was great in the snow with Continental DWS Extreme (2nd set of tires and not OE). My '13 X3 35i MSport performed admirably with the Goodyear LS-2 that many people hate so much. They were not as good as the Conti's but I was able to get around without any major problems and this New England Winter certainly presented a lot of snow challenges (although admittedly I stayed off the roads when I could work from home).
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I realize that this is not an opinion many of you share, but the all seasons that came stock from BMW: Goodyear LS performed quite well. We're a ski family and there wasn't a single issue of the tires slipping in snowy conditions. We have a 130' driveway with about a 45 degree slope and no issues going up or down.

With many of you complaining about how bad you thought the all seassons were I was concerned before I purchased the new X3. The combination of XDrive and all season tires in New Jersey works for us.
I guess I'm one of the few that share your opinion. I found that my 2006 X3 got around fine with all seasons. The two weeks before I bought my 2013, we got 12" and 13" respectively. We got less than 8" all last year. I had no problem going up severe hills/inclines with the all season Pirelli's I had. Yes, Kansas has hills. We are supposed to get 8" more over this weekend and this will be my first opportunity to try out the new X3 with the Goodyear's. I would think it would get around equally well.

On the other hand, I run dedicated snow tires in the winter on my M5 since it's rear wheel drive only and it even gets around great. Actually they are Dunlop Winter Sport M3s.

Tires make all the difference. However, comparing an AWD with summer vs snow is not a fair comparison. The end result is obvious. I'd like to see a real world test of an X3 with snow vs all seasons to determine the real advantage; assuming the temperature is not sub freezing. If I can't get around with an Xdrive X3 with all seasons, it's too bad for me to be out in the first place.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:19 PM
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I guess I'm one of the few that share your opinion. I found that my 2006 X3 got around fine with all seasons. The two weeks before I bought my 2013, we got 12" and 13" respectively. We got less than 8" all last year. I had no problem going up severe hills/inclines with the all season Pirelli's I had. Yes, Kansas has hills. We are supposed to get 8" more over this weekend and this will be my first opportunity to try out the new X3 with the Goodyear's. I would think it would get around equally well.

On the other hand, I run dedicated snow tires in the winter on my M5 since it's rear wheel drive only and it even gets around great. Actually they are Dunlop Winter Sport M3s.

Tires make all the difference. However, comparing an AWD with summer vs snow is not a fair comparison. The end result is obvious. I'd like to see a real world test of an X3 with snow vs all seasons to determine the real advantage; assuming the temperature is not sub freezing. If I can't get around with an Xdrive X3 with all seasons, it's too bad for me to be out in the first place.
I agree and also did the same with my M5.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:32 PM
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Driving with Nokian in a major snow storm is like driving on rails
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The LS2's totally exceeded my expectations in snow and icy conditions and I am in Minnesota where road conditions normally run the gamut. The X3 is way more tank like than I anticipated.
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