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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 03-22-2013, 10:22 AM
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Positive Camber!

I got an alignment last week, and my front left side had -0.6 degrees and right side had +0.5 degrees. The outer edge of the right tire is tearing at spots due to the positive camber.

I did a bit of research, and it seems like the front camber on the X5 is only adjustable via three available length control arms. Since BMW only warranties alignment for 2,000 miles, I'm wondering which control arm I should buy to put my camber back inline.
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:03 PM
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Some links of front suspension parts

http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?...89&hg=31&fg=05

It looks like I need part #16. Should I get the -30 min or +30 min model?
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:36 PM
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I got an alignment last week, and my front left side had -0.6 degrees and right side had +0.5 degrees. The outer edge of the right tire is tearing at spots due to the positive camber.

I did a bit of research, and it seems like the front camber on the X5 is only adjustable via three available length control arms. Since BMW only warranties alignment for 2,000 miles, I'm wondering which control arm I should buy to put my camber back inline.
What are all the results of the alignment?
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:44 PM
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What are all the results of the alignment?
-0.6 degree up front left and 0.5 degree at front right. Now I wonder if there is anything that is bent.
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:23 PM
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-0.6 degree up front left and 0.5 degree at front right. Now I wonder if there is anything that is bent.
No. I mean all of your measurements. Wrong Toe can cause more problems. What did your alignment shop say? No recommendations? You're only giving part of the picture.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:53 PM
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No. I mean all of your measurements. Wrong Toe can cause more problems. What did your alignment shop say? No recommendations? You're only giving part of the picture.
Agree. If you need to buy new arms, time to have an expert weight it.

While your camber IS poor, as Jim commented, toe will exacerbate wear that otherwise might take 15, 20k ti materilize....

Post all the numbers?
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:31 AM
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:50 PM
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Upon popular request. Keep in mind only the rear was adjusted, front was left un-touched.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:21 PM
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How did the front go from NEGATIVE 9/32 to positive 1/16 if it wasnt touched?

Anyway, that should be covered under a 'parts' warranty, IMO. The adjustable part of the alignment is 2000, but if they used the wrong control arm during mfg, that should be 4/50k. Again IMO.

Now, finding a dealer that will not say "you hit something' will be a challenge. Unless you DID hit something, then pony up.

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:31 PM
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How did the front go from NEGATIVE 9/32 to positive 1/16 if it wasnt touched?

Anyway, that should be covered under a 'parts' warranty, IMO. The adjustable part of the alignment is 2000, but if they used the wrong control arm during mfg, that should be 4/50k. Again IMO.

Now, finding a dealer that will not say "you hit something' will be a challenge. Unless you DID hit something, then pony up.

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This particular alignment machine takes a measurement before the device to center the wheel is put in place, and takes a final measurement after the wheel is centered. I'm good friends with the mechanic, and I watched him work on the car

The dealership is asking for a $139 fee to diagnose the alignment before they'd do anything. Thankfully, nothing appears to be bent from a visual examination. I did buy the vehicle used, so I don't know the history before my ownership. I can honestly say I didn't hit anything myself.

Since I can get the replacement control arm for $300 from BMW Parts Store, for which the installation and alignment will be free from my friend, do you think it'll be worth it to push the issue with the dealership?

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Old 03-25-2013, 05:42 PM
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I dont get it, camber is not adjustable but can be changed from swapping out the upper control arm.
Are we sure the different upper control arms are not for different models of. The x5 with different wheels?
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:01 PM
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I dont get it, camber is not adjustable but can be changed from swapping out the upper control arm.
Are we sure the different upper control arms are not for different models of. The x5 with different wheels?
It's silly how BMW designed this one. Oh well.

See the realoem link? It clearly shows two control arms for the X5
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:38 PM
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I dont get it, camber is not adjustable but can be changed from swapping out the upper control arm.
Are we sure the different upper control arms are not for different models of. The x5 with different wheels?
We are sure.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:17 PM
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If this vehical is checked with the BMW alignment system, it will be different. The initial reading is not correct and if the way he set the toe is not optimal.
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If this vehical is checked with the BMW alignment system, it will be different. The initial reading is not correct and if the way he set the toe is not optimal.
There are horizontal tears on the outer edge of the front passenger tire. I believe the symptom confirms the positive camber problem.

The issue isn't terrible, but I think still should have it fix to minimize tire wear. 20" tires aren't cheap LOL
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:51 PM
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Some links of front suspension parts

http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?...89&hg=31&fg=05

It looks like I need part #16. Should I get the -30 min or +30 min model?
I looked at this diagram, and would it be possible to get positive camber if the wishbone (part #10) was bent?
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:30 PM
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I looked at this diagram, and would it be possible to get positive camber if the wishbone (part #10) was bent?
I got into the shop today, and we determined that the wish bone was bent by 3/4". It definitely is a culprit and I have a new one coming.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:14 AM
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How does that bend by 3/4" and you dont know it???
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How does that bend by 3/4" and you dont know it???
Yup, that's not possible, the vehical would not be drivable, the DSC warning light would be on because the steering angle sensor would be off, and you wouldn't be able to properly center the steering wheel. Plus, it would be pulling like a mofo.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:47 PM
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^^ OP clarified elsewhere that he is not the original owner, so maybe it was trucked/shipped damaged..or took a major impact and was 'fixed' prior to his ownership. That was what I was referring to- whatever caused the "3/4" bend" would have to catch someone's attention when it occurred.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:07 PM
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I didn't do the measurement, my mechanic did. Maybe it wasn't off by 3/4", but the wishbone on the right side was definitely shorter than the one on the left.

Visually, I could see very subtly that it was bent. But it would've been very difficult to tell without the taper measure.

My X5 still drive straight without any issue, so it must not be out by 3/4"?

I ordered the part from BMW Part Store on Thursday, but it hasn't shipped yet. I'll keep everyone posted on the outcome!

Thanks for the help so far, esp to ARD

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Yup, that's not possible, the vehical would not be drivable, the DSC warning light would be on because the steering angle sensor would be off, and you wouldn't be able to properly center the steering wheel. Plus, it would be pulling like a mofo.
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^^ OP clarified elsewhere that he is not the original owner, so maybe it was trucked/shipped damaged..or took a major impact and was 'fixed' prior to his ownership. That was what I was referring to- whatever caused the "3/4" bend" would have to catch someone's attention when it occurred.
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