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Old 03-22-2013, 05:59 AM
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Were these Michelin RFT? Was told by BMW that only Goodyear has the 19" RFT All Season Tires. If not RFT, you still got bubbles?
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:04 AM
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You'll get opinions on both sides. BMW says stay with the RFT but many of switched to non-RFT and put spares in their trunk just in case. Who knows what the right answer is .... it'll be up to you to decide depending on if you have the tire warrantee or not OR if you want to not deal with the bubbles (if you've had any) OR just avoid it and deal with the little inconvenience of having a donut spare in your trunk.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:08 PM
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Are these the Michelin Primacy HPZP 19" run flats?
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My michelin oem tires are about out of tread and one on the front just developed a bubble. But they've got 31,500 miles. I think that's actually pretty good.
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Old 03-27-2013, 04:57 PM
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I'm also on 18" for the same reasons; plus - interestingly (and hopefully) - RFTs are getting better and better with each new generation; just visited the BMW Poland online wheel configurator for the F10, and they promote the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT DSST ROF RSC. My Contis are rated 73dB - the Dunlops are just 65dB as far as noise is concerned!

Anyone actually uses these Dunlops in the 18" size?
This (Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT) is the exact tyre that has just developed a huge bump in the front driver's side tyre after only 1600 kms - a replacement cost of $A990 - I am so p***ed off about this! It's so new there's no spares in OZ for at least 6 weeks so I now have to buy 2 new front tyres so I can go on a road trip in the nxt 4-5 weeks. I was planning to get rid of the RFLs eventually - this fiasco has just hastened that decision now.
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:38 AM
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I thru in the towel this weekend and went with 4 Michelin pilot A/S plus...this after two bubbles in the same day! (front left and back right)...This took my total LS2 fails to 5 tires in 19,900 miles. So I figured time for a switch...and a lovely tire patch kit in the trunk.
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:51 AM
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Failed my NYS inspection because of bubbles in the my front two RFTs. Paid 40% of the new tire cost to replace them with the Michelin warranty, but now that they are losing tons of money on this insurance they have modified it so that you have to pay $52/tire and you are only covered for full replacement during first 30 days, and then prorated by time over 3 years, what a disaster...
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:33 PM
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Is there an official corporate response from BMW?. They must know of these issues with RFT's. Is it possible they are just so elitist that they do not care about the purchasers?

Anyway, when my RFT,s wear out I'm going to replace them with conventional tires.I also am going to get a spare and jack kit even with the RFT's. They are useless if you tear a sidewall!

I was on I95 yesterday and saw a F-10 limping on the shoulder riding on the rim-decided right then and there to get the doughnut spare.
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:43 AM
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at this point bmw has to be well aware of the problem.
one can only guess when they became aware.
their response then ,is the same as it is now......silence.

what is of much more concern,and importance other then when they became aware,is their action,or in this case lack of action to properly address it.
and when i ask myself why? i can only think of one answer....money.
because if and when they address it it will be their money....as long as they remain silent its our money.

they clearly have weighed their options,and have decided to write some of us off.
they have taken into consideration,that the majority , those not affected by this issue will not care,and even most of those affected will continue to stay loyal to bmw.
their confidence is bolstered by the fact that bmw sales are strong and climbing.

having an ongoing problem as simple as a tire is hard to understand.
this tire has a much higher then average sidewall bubble issue.
although i have no data to support it,i would think based on what ive read ,it just might be the highest of all time.

as a result, many hours and sometimes days are spent with the car off the road for a tire.
this tire fails at a high rate,and finding a replacement is at a low rate. thats a bad ratio,that only adds to the problem.
i have been fortunate then most. since the tires are backed by good year,i believe they have since changed that for newer owners,i did not agree to the high priced, high pressure tactics that my dealer offered for insurance.
that good year road hazard coverage is the only bright spot in this whole tire fiasco.i have only had one bubble in close to two years. but i should also mention that i only drive this car 5,000 mikes a year.

still in spite of that. i have no confidence in these tires. and when i need to travel a good distance from home,i choose my wifes acura.
that is part of the reason i am only doing 5,000 miles a year.
i have told my story here a couple of times in the past. a bubble in my tires,cost me 3 trips to bmw dealer and loss of my car for 3 days.
had i been on the road out of town i would have been trapped in a hotel room, wasting both my time and my money.........for a tire?
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:41 AM
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There is no question that they are aware of the problem. Think of all the extraordinary tire & wheel insurance pay-offs and the exponential rise in premiums. Maybe it's due to money, but the reality is the difference in cost between 19" and 18" tires is relatively small and they could charge a premium for the 19" just like they do with the European sport packages.

It is a decision made by BMWNA who configures the packages that are offered for the USA perhaps to limit the number of configurations available to buyers in this country. Who knows? I suspect that although there is a large vocal group on this forum, that the percentage of F-10s with these tires is pretty small in the pot-hole prone areas. Still, your guess is as good as mine as to why the ignore it.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:12 AM
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I had many tires replaced but the past year has been really quiet, gone through some bad potholes but my LS2 tires survived. Not sure if some tweak/update was done to my car to alter the shocks or something as I seem fine with the stock tires.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:59 PM
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Everyone make sure you contact BMW directly, via letter, telling them of your displeasure and tire issues. It doesn't mean that they are suddenly going to be able to fix the problems, but at least they will know of the magnitude.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:34 PM
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I've written letters to BMW Customer Service and also to Goodyear. Goodyear's response was they'll cover the warrantee but refused to comment on what the long term fix for their defective tires or the impact on their customers. I've even given both the link to this thread, but kind of doubt they will review all of the dissatisfaction! We'll see.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:37 PM
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Every letter and e-mail that I have written to BMW,whether about battery or tire issues have gotten the same response --NONE!!!
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:16 PM
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Finally made the switch to non-Run flats and could not have been happier! I switched to Michelin Pilot Sports A/S plus and it sticks to the road like glue and superb handling!

I do have one of the Good Year LS2 tires which has good amount of tread left in it. I had this put on recently due to a bubble but had to replace all 4 tires as the other 3 had worn out. If any of you need the this one LS2 tire PM me. I am located in central NJ
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:20 PM
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Btw, what should the air pressure I should be setting on the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus tires, would anyone know?

I ask as I am not sure if the BMW stock tire pressure recommendation applies to non-runflats
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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I put on 2.4 / 2.7 bar fr / re.
M pss 245/45 R18 100w xl.

For me that gives a nice responding car, the tires doing allright for the first 15k kms.
Comfortable enough on bad roads, good on speedy and loaded highway trips.

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Old 04-12-2013, 03:39 PM
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I put on 2.4 / 2.7 bar fr / re.
M pss 245/45 R18 100w xl.

For me that gives a nice responding car, the tires doing allright for the first 15k kms.
Comfortable enough on bad roads, good on speedy and loaded highway trips.
Thanks, but mine is not the summer tire PSS, the all-season version of it. Not sure if it matters.

Can you give me your tire pressure in psi?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:12 AM
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Just this Saturday i bought new tires for my 535!!! took off the run flats and put them in the garage. Spent 1053.$ for Bridgestones non runflats!!! man the ride is so much better the tires are softer and the road noise is gone !!! Not to mention the slight pulling to the right has been corrected. I chose not to get the tire insurance instead I spent less for new tires (that includes after market tire warranty) and its soooo much better!! The dealer told me that the run flats average mileage life span is 10k and the non run flats is 20k. my car only has 728 miles so its still brand new. Consider looking in swapping out of run flats and the worries of bumbles and pulling to the right can be put to rest!!! The Bridgestones R758 are awesome!!!! Good luck !!!
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:20 AM
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Just this Saturday i bought new tires for my 535!!! took off the run flats and put them in the garage. Spent 1053.$ for Bridgestones non runflats!!! man the ride is so much better the tires are softer and the road noise is gone !!! Not to mention the slight pulling to the right has been corrected.
Good move! Isn't it a shame you spend 60K-70K on a new car and you have to get rid of the run flats to improve the ride and make it drive straight down the road like it should? Now all you have to worry about is BMW's decision to NOT equip these cars with a spare to deal with a puncture or blowout. I went ahead and bought a spare tire and rim from Tire Rack and put it in the trunk when I go on a road trip away from home.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:42 AM
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**Consolidated RFT Failures/Issues Thread**

My run flats still look good at 23k miles. Have others had issues at 10k miles???


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Old 04-23-2013, 07:15 AM
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**Consolidated RFT Failures/Issues Thread**

Yes it's a shame. My car is $72k. Swapping the tires was the best thing I did !! If I get a flat or blow out I will just call BMW roadside. But the ride is so much better !!!Click image for larger version

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My run flats still look good at 23k miles. Have others had issues at 10k miles???


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Yes. My car is just about six months old and has 7,000 miles. One of my tires has to be replaced and the dealer says that its due to road hazard. I didn't notice anything and need to have a closer look. The tires are actually on backorder and the car is with the dealer for two to three days. Never before have I had a nearly new car not available for a few days.

I had considered buying the tire warranty and read somewhere (including tirerack) that conti has a one year road hazard warranty. Looks like the fine print says that this is not valid for OE tires. I am majorly pained at having to buy a new tire for a six month old car. This is my first BMW and first experience with RFT (not being able to repair a simple punture). Based on my request my dealer has double checked - looks like the new tire I buy WILL have a one year roadside hazard warranty but the OE do not.

I don't like to keep a spare in the car, so non-RFT is not an option. Looks like an expensive tire warranty is the only option. Wish I'd bought this plan six months ago but at that stage I was so sure that I had one years warranty from conti.

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Old 05-29-2013, 04:29 AM
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Goodyear RFT on OE

SSJ - You may want to have your dealer check again. I was told by the Goodyear rep that all of their tires, including the RFT are warrantied. All the dealer has to do is to call Goodyear, show them the tire, it will be prorated based on wear and then replaced. I've got the email from the Goodyear Rep where they replied as such.
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Old 05-29-2013, 04:44 AM
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RFT Replacement 7 and 8!!!

Well, forgot to post, but I've just replaced my 7th and 8th Goodyear RFT! This time, it included two wheels as well. So the RFT saga continues forth with no other resolution but personal expense since BMW continues to ignore the issue. Any lawyers out there?
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:33 AM
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Well, forgot to post, but I've just replaced my 7th and 8th Goodyear RFT! This time, it included two wheels as well. So the RFT saga continues forth with no other resolution but personal expense since BMW continues to ignore the issue. Any lawyers out there?
I feel your pain/anger! There should be a club for unlucky people like us. I went through 8 Goodyear LS2 tires and 2 wheels (both rear wheels cracked within 24 hours) before I finally gave up and decided to break the lease and get rid of this awesome car with terrible tires that BMW refuses to do anything about!

After the BMW dealership replaced my 7th and 8th tires (yes, two tires blew at the same time), the service rep at the dealership told me that Goodyear is no longer providing a warranty on new tires. I wonder why..... That was the sign for me to get out of this car before another tire issue. I didn't have the BMW tire/wheel insurance and the Goodyear warranty used to cover the replacement cost of the tires and without that warranty, I didn't want to pay a dime out of my pocket to keep replacing these terrible tires.

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