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Old 04-02-2013, 09:19 PM
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Its funny you say that, because every time I fantasize about my new car, it's always me rocking the shifter back in forth in the neutral position before sliding the shifter into 1st for the first time and feeling that nice little "snick" of engagement.

The writing is on the wall for manuals, but I'm going to hold on to the very last, bitter end!
Amen Brother! I love my 6MT. Don't care about traffic. I just feel the car far better.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:43 PM
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I was very surprised at the lack of manuals on the lot at the dealerships. At the one closest to me, there weren't any for the 335. The M3 and the M5 were autos. There was only 1 328i MT. That seem backwards to anybody else?
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:01 PM
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I was very surprised at the lack of manuals on the lot at the dealerships. At the one closest to me, there weren't any for the 335. The M3 and the M5 were autos. There was only 1 328i MT. That seem backwards to anybody else?
Seems backasswards, but it is what it is. Not many manuals on the lot anywhere.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:18 PM
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F30 AT is the best AT I've driven, I think. Only did it briefly so far on test drives, but it is truly great. When it comes to AT's, it's about as good as it gets.

It's nowhere near as fun as a MT though

I would absolutely go with the MT if I didn't have to sit in rush hour traffic every day.
Pu**y, rush hour be damned j/k. I myself will never drive an AT.

Edit: lExcept as a loaner car and then I'll be befuddled on how the **** to get it into Park.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:20 AM
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As a person who has had a manual transmission in every previous car I've personally owned, and as a current owner of a F30 328i with the Sport 8AT, I can tell you that is is no replacement for a 6MT. There are two things I wish my car had that would make it a darn-near perfect automobile: A.) Lighting Package and B.) a 6MT. Don't get me wrong, the Sport 8AT is a great automatic and I believe it is better than the standard auto, but that's like saying 1 gunshot wound is better than 2 gunshot wounds. Maybe that last metaphor was a little extreme, but I think you get my point.

Given the fact that I don't make my living conducting 0-60mph tests, if my car had a 6MT and was .01 sec slower than a comparably equipped 8AT, I'd be fine with that. There is nothing that will replicate the mechanical involvement of a good manual transmission. No amount of adaptive this or paddle shift that will replace a 3-pedal setup. If you are at all in a position to wait and get a 6MT, I would advise you to go that route. One thing to note, when I was selling my previous car, I did lose out on a few potential sales because some people (for reasons unfathomable to me) did not want a manual-equipped car. I would assume dealers would try to hit you with that same reasoning when trading in a car.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:28 AM
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Did you ever test drive a MT 328i and what was your impressions of it? How does it compare (if you recall) to your E36s?

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As a person who has had a manual transmission in every previous car I've owned, and as a current owner of a F30 328i with the Sport 8AT, I can tell you that is is no replacement for a 6MT. There are two things I wish my car had that would make it a darn-near perfect automobile: A.) Lighting Package and B.) a 6MT. Don't get me wrong, the Sport 8AT is a great automatic and I believe it is better than the standard auto, but that's like saying 1 gunshot wound is better than 2 gunshot wounds. Maybe that last metaphor was a little extreme, but I think you get my point.

Given the fact that I don't make my living conducting 0-60mph tests, if my car had a 6MT and was .01 sec slower than a comparably equipped 8AT, I'd be fine with that. There is nothing that will replicate the mechanical involvement of a good manual transmission. No amount of adaptive this or paddle shift that will replace a 3-pedal setup. If you are at all in a position to wait and get a 6MT, I would advise you to go that route. One thing to note, when I was selling my previous car, I did lose out on a few potential sales because some people (for reasons unfathomable to me) did not want a manual-equipped car. I would assume dealers would try to hit you with that same reasoning when trading in a car.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:31 AM
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Call me old fashioned but I prefer manual.

I know smg is faster more efficient yaddi yaddaa blah blah blah I want a manual box.

Why? Smg is of course the most logical choice for a race car, but a street car should be about driving pleasure and reliability and long term maintenance.
I don't care how good the smg is its still an automatic, and nothing compares to the viseral feeling you get by sinking the ckutch and rowing the gears. Also long run, my car has 300k miles on it the tranny shifts like butter, used gearboxes are easy to find and clutches and flywheels are all you need to replace like once every 60k miles.

An smg has too many things that can go bad with time, and they still use clutches. Plus I don't like the idea of turning over more control to computers.

Its an irrational fear to have i know.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:35 AM
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used gearboxes are easy to find and clutches and flywheels are all you need to replace like once every 60k miles.
You must be doing something different than normal driving. I'm on my original clutch.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:41 AM
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Call me old fashioned but I prefer manual.

I know smg is faster more efficient yaddi yaddaa blah blah blah I want a manual box.

Why? Smg is of course the most logical choice for a race car, but a street car should be about driving pleasure and reliability and long term maintenance.
I don't care how good the smg is its still an automatic, and nothing compares to the viseral feeling you get by sinking the ckutch and rowing the gears. Also long run, my car has 300k miles on it the tranny shifts like butter, used gearboxes are easy to find and clutches and flywheels are all you need to replace like once every 60k miles.

An smg has too many things that can go bad with time, and they still use clutches. Plus I don't like the idea of turning over more control to computers.

Its an irrational fear to have i know.
I think you are confusing Sequencial Manual Gear box with Dual Clutch Transmission.
SMG was a horible implementation of automated manual, the DCT is far superior to SMG. Still i ti snot a replacement for a manual gearbox on the street, and I could see DCT advantage over MT on the track.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:42 AM
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Pu**y, rush hour be damned j/k. I myself will never drive an AT.
I drove a manual for most of my life and loved it the whole time. But now I sit in traffic, and it just takes all the fun out of it. Plus the AT gets better mpg, is faster, and adds a lot of convenience. It was a tough decision to make, but I think it was the right one.

If my commute drastically changes in the future, I hope MT's will still be around
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I drive my manuals in Dallas traffic its ntt a big deal. Clutch to first then neutral. Big deal.

Its not like you have a racing cltch. Manuals are easy.

In my old 3000gt I had a 4puck unsprung clutch that I used to DD in traffic. That was a workout but not a nuisance
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:19 AM
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I drive my manuals in Dallas traffic its ntt a big deal. Clutch to first then neutral. Big deal.
Avoid 635. Avoid 75. Stay on side streets. You can almost get up to 40 before you hit the next stop light. It's pretty exciting.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:57 AM
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Did you ever test drive a MT 328i and what was your impressions of it? How does it compare (if you recall) to your E36s?
Sadly, I never got to drive an F30 with a 6MT. Out of the 3 BMW dealerships in the Phoenix Metro area, not one had a manual-equipped car. I even checked the Tuscon dealer and nothing. I was in a time crunch because I had sold my car private party and needed a new car, otherwise I would've done a more extensive search or just ordered.

Even though I didn't have a first hand experience with an F30 6MT, I am confident enough in BMW's clutch/transmission performance in the past to say that I'm sure I would love it.
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Loved the MT/clutch on my E36, hated the one on my E39, not too fond of the one on my E60 (too loose). Hoping for a better experience next time.

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Sadly, I never got to drive an F30 with a 6MT. Out of the 3 BMW dealerships in the Phoenix Metro area, not one had a manual-equipped car. I even checked the Tuscon dealer and nothing. I was in a time crunch because I had sold my car private party and needed a new car, otherwise I would've done a more extensive search or just ordered.

Even though I didn't have a first hand experience with an F30 6MT, I am confident enough in BMW's clutch/transmission performance in the past to say that I'm sure I would love it.
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Sadly, I never got to drive an F30 with a 6MT. Out of the 3 BMW dealerships in the Phoenix Metro area, not one had a manual-equipped car. I even checked the Tuscon dealer and nothing. I was in a time crunch because I had sold my car private party and needed a new car, otherwise I would've done a more extensive search or just ordered.

Even though I didn't have a first hand experience with an F30 6MT, I am confident enough in BMW's clutch/transmission performance in the past to say that I'm sure I would love it.
Hey Diesel, I'm also in the Phoenix area and am thinking about getting an F30 this summer. Mind if I ask what you decided on and what kind of a deal you got, e.g. how much over invoice?
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Loved the MT/clutch on my E36, hated the one on my E39, not too fond of the one on my E60 (too loose). Hoping for a better experience next time.
I agree with you about the E39 manual. My Dad had a '97 540i 6MT and while I loved the engine, that was one car that could've used a short throw kit. Switching between my E36 and his E39 was quite transition. It's like I was shifting with a boat oar.
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Hey Diesel, I'm also in the Phoenix area and am thinking about getting an F30 this summer. Mind if I ask what you decided on and what kind of a deal you got, e.g. how much over invoice?
No problem...I'll shoot you a PM.
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I would take the worst manual over the best auto every time.
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You obviously have never driven a 1968 Mercedes 220S.

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I would take the worst manual over the best auto every time.
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You obviously have never driven a 1968 Mercedes 220S.
I should have been a little more clear. I was referring to what is available on the market today.
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Awesome thread.

I never knew there were still so many other knuckle dragging mouth breathing MT drivers like me around.

Maybe we need to start a club and hand out numbers?

Any other candidate K.D.M.B.MT.D Charter Members? I claim No. 001.
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Avoid 635. Avoid 75. Stay on side streets. You can almost get up to 40 before you hit the next stop light. It's pretty exciting.
oh god 635 was created by satan himself. i hate that street with a passion it and 75. they are so annoying. I was stuck for 3 hours on that road and my exit was only 11 miles from where i entered.

And whenit rains texans forget that the laws of physics and traction apply and always crash on that road blocking it up.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:42 AM
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Had MTs for many years and the BMW 6 sp (had a E60 530i and have a E46 330Ci) is one of the best. Our F30 335i with 8 sp AT may be one of the best ATs around but it has several problems in the software control: it will downshift if you floor it in MT mode; it won't cruise at 70 mph in 8th gear in Sport Mode (you ask why cruise in Sport Mode -- because the steering has a much more direct feel to it in Sport Mode); with so many gears it would be helpful to have the gear indicator in the heads up display; why did BMW take a step backward and not allow the AT to start in 2nd gear under light throttle as it did in the E90?; why did BMW EVER put Eco Pro on the F30? (the car feels like a reject from the rice burner factory and the mileage -- In Comfort Mode I got 35+ on a 1600 mile trip (some mountains and some around the town driving) -- improvement is minimal. Wish I had gotten the MT!
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And by offering an MT as a no-cost option (as opposed to being $1000-1500 cheaper) BMW is pretty much testing how many enthusiasts remain. They've pretty much gotten rid of the financial and performance incentive for getting a manual.
i thought steptronic was 3k?
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why did BMW EVER put Eco Pro on the F30? (the car feels like a reject from the rice burner factory and the mileage -- In Comfort Mode I got 35+ on a 1600 mile trip (some mountains and some around the town driving) -- improvement is minimal. Wish I had gotten the MT!
It squeezes out additional mpg that allows them to report better mileage statistics. Even at a steady 65mph on the interstate the a/c will run more efficiently in eco pro than it will in comfort.
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