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Old 05-01-2013, 06:02 PM
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Peter, you can get a brand new key + remote cut and coded to your car from USA for $214 USD delivered as opposed to $700 which was what the dealer quoted me :/
Yes, I can. But it will be not cheaper, as I still need to write new key into EWS, i.e. I need to use AK90 (have it anyway).
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:06 PM
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the price $214 is the key cut and coded to your vin number. Should not require any extra coding. I bought one for my E65 and it was programmed by BMW over there. Just put it into the car and it initialised and worked. Didnt have to do any extra coding.
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BMW computers cannot program your vehicle if you place in modules from other cars (and do not get those modules programmed to your vehicle). For example, if you replace your LCM and don't get it coded to your vehicles vin, there will be an issue. While someone with the proper tools can activate autolocking in 30 seconds regardless of what modules you have from "x" amount of cars, BMW computers do not operate in this same manner.

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The problem with someone doing handy work in their home is you would never know unless they told you. BMW mechanics are not gods, they are just educated mechanics that specialize in a certain type of car. As I said when I brought West Coast BMW my e65 7 series, they charged me 2 hours of labour, told me they were unable to program my car and said they fixed the grounding issue I had. On my way home, the grounding issue was still there. I called back the next day and all they told me was to monitor it.

Regarding the coding, they said they were unable to program my car because it had different modules from other cars in there...does that mean that if I replace any modules in a car (even though I replaced like for like due to the module being faulty) that the dealership programming would become useless. They told me to go find an independent mechanic that could program the car for me (all I wanted to do was set autolock on my key).

As for the general mechanic work, I know for a fact the dealerships use apprentices for the oil changes and general work. Only when it is specialized, the mechanic will use a specialist. I personally think $192/hr was very steep for what they did for me and my experience was not great to say the least. Since I got the E53, I have changed the spark plugs myself, the navigation lcd panel myself and repaired the side mirror where the gears were worn causing the window to not hold. Sure BMW could have changed my plugs for $192 but after watching the video, it was 4 screws and unplug the coil packs. Something that I do not think the average person is incapable of, and hardly needing a specialist for.

The LCD screen BMW would not touch and asked me to buy a new unit for. Again I searched youtube and repaired the screen with a new one I bought saving myself thousands in the process. I would not take on services myself, but when I can see myself saving money on little things that I can repair myself I am prepared to give it a go. Each to their own I guess.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:25 PM
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BMW computers cannot program your vehicle if you place in modules from other cars (and do not get those modules programmed to your vehicle). For example, if you replace your LCM and don't get it coded to your vehicles vin, there will be an issue. While someone with the proper tools can activate autolocking in 30 seconds regardless of what modules you have from "x" amount of cars, BMW computers do not operate in this same manner.
I had all the modules that were replaced coded the the correct vin number. I did it myself with dashsoft. cant BMW computers code vin numbers? What happens when you buy a part? Does it come precoded with your vin if it comes from BMW?
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:10 PM
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Well said. I am of similar doctrine. I will only add that you know exactly whats been done when you do it yourself and as a result you know and understand your car better, not to mention I know darn well the repair has been done right.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:21 PM
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Hi Folks,

New to the forum but I would like to add this.
I owned a 1985 Porsche 928S, 32V for almost 14 years.

Before I bought the car I just thought it would be cool to own one. Once I took ownership of it the PO gave me his complete repair history which also included the original owners receipts.

At the time I purchased it, the car was 14 years old and was only serviced by dealerships. The total receipts handed to me in that gigantic folder totaled nearly $50,000 dollars! You read that right. The repairs nearly equaled the original sale of the new car!

Buyers remorse set in deep and I decided that the only way I could keep this car was to learn how to work on it myself. Through people I met, internet forums and my own ability to rationalize problems and solve them, I kept that car on the road for 14 years of ownership and never once did I visit a dealer or other repair shop and I did everything you can imagine with that car. Always ran perfect and only broke down on me once due to a failed fuel pump.

I won't give you more than two examples of how good the dealer service was to the car. When I decided to do what they call a top-ectamy on the car, I found all the spark plug wire holders broken and the wires held in place with zip ties. I also discovered when I did the very complex timing belt change on the car that there is nothing like a handful of silcone sealant to keep the oil on the other side of the crankshaft seal. Yes, I guess you get what you pay for.

I have owned my X5 for only two months and have fixed a bunch of things on it already, including just doing the valve cover gasket which was leaking. I am now working on my AC system, have a drivers door handle mechanism on order and will send my center dash module off here soon to get rid of the Vulcan language it displays. On top of that I ordered a few small items that I found needed attention.

Its ok to support a dealer who has always done right by you and is someone you have grown to trust but it comes at a cost. Usually a lot of money. If you have the chops to take your time, investigate and rationalize each problem, you will become a great problem solver and will eventually have no problem digging into your own repairs.
My previous post refers to this
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:56 AM
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You just confirmed that I was right that mechanics at BMW participating in sales activity (getting bonuses).
How do you know who serviced or repaired the car you willing to buy, if dealers not always stamping the logbooks, especially for company cars? Have a look at asking prices for example at carsales.com.au to check resale value for these cars, please keep in mind we are discussing X5 1999-2006, not F10 or F30.
With parts prices at BMW dealers here in Australia (two-three times higher than US and Europe) dealers must not complain that owners doing the job by themselves. Do you recon $700 for a new key for X5 E53 is a reasonable price? If you buy key programmer and program EWS, got new blank key off e-bay and use local locksmith to cut the key you will be still below $200 for complete the job. And for sure dealer is not happy.
You raise an interesting point.

Does someone that heavily promotes servicing at authorised dealer only, have an interest at some dealership?
Hmmm, I don't know, you be the judge
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:07 AM
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You raise an interesting point.

Does someone that heavily promotes servicing at authorised dealer only, have an interest at some dealership?
Hmmm, I don't know, you be the judge
When I worked for VW, Holden and Ford dealerships as a motor mechanic there were bonus systems linked to workshop sales, i.e. more parts you recommended to replace (and customer accepts that), more chance you will get bonus at the end of the month. Service advisers have their KPI and commissions based on sales as well.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:30 AM
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Do you maintain your x5 e53 yourself?...Your experience appreciated!

I have no hidden agenda or business affiliation whatsoever with my BMW dealership. I'm just offering some advice about servicing your own BMW. If you want to be your own mechanic, do it on a Toyota, but prepare yourself for losing your depth when servicing your BMW! They're a very complex car, so good luck and you can always shed any tears on Bimmer if you get completely stuck. Many people do.

Put it this way, if you had to replace the sunroof, would you do it yourself? Gear box? Air Conditioner? Brake hydraulics system?, cv joints? Central locking system? Parking sensors. All I can say is good luck, because all these jobs I mention will undo most people's efforts, including their bank accounts.


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Old 05-04-2013, 01:48 AM
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I have no hidden agenda or business affiliation whatsoever with my BMW dealership. I'm just offering some advice about servicing your own BMW. If you want to be your own mechanic, do it on a Toyota, but prepare yourself for losing your depth when servicing your BMW! They're a very complex car, so good luck and you can always shed any tears on Bimmer if you get completely stuck. Many people do.

Put it this way, if you had to replace the sunroof, would you do it yourself? Gear box? Air Conditioner? Brake hydraulics system?, cv joints? Central locking system? Parking sensors. All I can say is good luck, because all these jobs I mention will undo most people's efforts, including their bank accounts.


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I agree with you on the more technical aspects of the car should not be tickered by the novice home DIY person. However, this is the forum where people share the work they have done and if confident one can tackle it themselves.
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:20 AM
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Put it this way, if you had to replace the sunroof, would you do it yourself? Gear box? Air Conditioner? Brake hydraulics system?, cv joints? Central locking system? Parking sensors. All I can say is good luck, because all these jobs I mention will undo most people's efforts, including their bank accounts.
if the person cant afford to DIY then they cant afford a dealer for sure, and probably shouldn't own the car. you cannot try and act like dealers get it right the first time and all the time either. plenty of stories on the fest that show that. if the problem is the mechatronic bridge seal on the zf trannies for 7 series the dealers have told people they need a new transmission at a cost of 6-9k. they came here and got the job done for under 1k at an indy or DIy and saved them self from needing lube at the dealer.

also on the flip side of the coin; there really ARE people that shouldn't DIY. some people are not mechanically inclined. but for those of us who are, it is not a big deal especially just regular maintenance.

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Old 05-04-2013, 05:56 AM
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Put it this way, if you had to replace the sunroof, would you do it yourself? Gear box? Air Conditioner? Brake hydraulics system?, cv joints? Central locking system? Parking sensors. All I can say is good luck, because all these jobs I mention will undo most people's efforts, including their bank accounts.
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Why you need to replace sunroof at first place? E53 before facelift donít have problems with it as far as I know. Panoramic sunroofs for 9/2003-2006 models required maintenance first of all, but dealers prefer to recommend expensive replacement (as they are making money).
Not a big deal to remove-refit gearbox. Fixing its internals is for skilled people and dealers using specialized companies to fix transmissions. Do you really need a middle man there?
A/C -any authorised (for A/C works) workshop can charge it if required. What the problem with this?
What you mean under Brake hydraulics system? Replacing ABS/DSC unit or pads/rotors remove-refit?
CV joints must be done only by BMW dealer: itís a rocket since to replace them as a unit, and the main problem is to replace rubber boots.
Central locking system - you not replacing it as a complete system, donít you?
Parking sensors -use INPA or DIS to find which one is faulty and replace it, no programming or coding required.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:32 AM
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Prometheus,

Let me try to view it from your shoes a bit.
Yes, I get that if you are a first time Bimmer owner and have an out of warranty problem you should still leave it the professionals. If you have no mechanical history or don't even know how to unscrew a light bulb, you should not be looking under the hood of a BMW. There are many new owners coming up asking for advice on what I would consider to be very minor issues. I have to calm myself by humbly remembering what it was like when I was new. Just give the information to the best of your ability (possibly references), and let the member take care of the rest.

There are people that hear that nasty quote from the dealer, run and then jump on forums for guidance. I've seen it quite a lot. Those individuals have the most issues. There was a member on the E90 side who took his servotronic motor off and couldn't get it back on.
I told that member they didn't do their homework prior to starting the VCG repair. The vehicle ended up getting towed many miles away to a dealership to finish the repair. (Just that motor)

What I'm getting at is if you can read instructions (the same ones the techs use), then add the input from some VERY knowledgeable members on here that has some experience, then one should be well. I've seen people who has never held a wrench or screwdriver before that did their own oil change and become so proud of themselves that they start crying.

You have to start somewhere. These forums are confusing also, especially when compared to some of the other ones out there, and all you want to do is get help. The moderators do their best to get the questions to the right people. You have to remember that when you're looking for help and you have an issue, you really don't know where to turn. All you want is that guidance to get you started. It is a truly lonely feeling for some. Maybe they bought the wrong car, but they still crave that help and we should give it when we can whenever they do find their way here.

If a member obviously did their homework before attempting repairs, gathering all necessary information that include possible damages, they would have no trouble at all. And those are the members who stay and share additional knowledge.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:16 AM
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The forum is great for sharing joys and pains about BMW cars and I love reading all of the member efforts at self- servicing, but one must consider how cars have changed over the past 15 years in particular, which has unfortunately made them unserviceable by novices at home and even trained mechanics, and that is the computer equipment, which in BMWs, is the brain and central nervous system for the cars entire mechanical and electronic operation, and monitors every single aspect of the cars essential functions. This design setup is true of all BMWs from early 90s onwards and the e53s include a much more sophisticated generation of computer systems for problem diagnostics and sensor monitoring, which is apparently capable of monitoring 13 separate functions at the same time. Now, when it is time to replace parts, authorised dealers use a specialised computer system to test the vehicle after the work is done, which is something people at home just wouldn't have. Mercedes are the same. I worked on Mercedes cars, customising them for Australian use, before they became so sophisticated that I had no choice but to go away and study electrical and computer software engineering, and frankly, I don't look back! I'm now a Data Management specialist for a govt dept. But being a mechanic these days means you need to be qualified to service vehicles with computer equipment, trouble shoot with computers and calibrate with computers. And this is where most people get stuck. They fail to appreciate that BMWs in particular have parts consisting of subtle interrelationships with other parts, and require the utmost care during removal, assembly and replacement. You need to know the whole car before you can service them properly, and gone are the days when you could lift up the hood and remove the head to insert new valves and cylinder rings. Be warned, the e53, in my opinion one of the best cars BMW has ever, ever made, will elude even the most experienced mechanics.

Sure, change light bulbs and spark plugs yourself, even fit a new headlight or rear light and change the sparks, but if you want sleepless nights of anxiety, go ahead and try replacing the gearbox!


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Old 05-05-2013, 04:17 AM
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Dealer level diagnostic equipment is not needed for certain models (roughly 6-7 years old). By then there are usually software leaks to the public. Right now BMW started a new generation with F chassis cars, but its still not impossible to diagnose with current programs out now.
I'm using Bavarian Technic professional diagnostic equipment, I also have INPA, DIS, SSS, NCS.
New versions are popping up on forums sometimes. The Bavarian Technic is more than what I need for the E60.
I always tell people if they are troubleshooting their BMW without diagnostics then they in for a treat.

There are guys running tunes on their N54's without data logs, then when they have issues they use cheap readers to try and find the problem.
Like I said if you do your research and gather the info you should know what to avoid, and what to expect.
I'm no qualified tech, but the equipment that I purchase (expensive) has been more than enough to keep my vehicles out of the dealership all these years. I still by my oil and filters at the dealer so they see some type of purchase by me,
but my cars haven't been there in a while.

If I do run into an impossible problem that even an independent mechanic can't fix then a dealer visit is in order, and they would probably be just as stumped (heard of that before).
Like I said its really not difficult to maintain your vehicle from your home with the right tools, that's why they are available to the public. BMW wouldn't sell their oil over the counter if they didn't want you to change it yourself.
The only thing that prohibits any work at home is time, laziness (rare) or injuries. If all those check out,
you're good. Have a CEL? Diagnose, hit the forum search button, buy parts, remove, code, install. That's the norm.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:39 PM
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In fact, BMW advise against people servicing their cars, which should be the domain of only authorised BMW mechanics. Like a Swiss Watch, you can reduce the cost if your car by less than half if you try to service it yourself, and prospective buyers won't like seeing an empty service log book when it is time to sell. I would think on balance that you service your own BMW after it has reached the age of about 12-15 years, by which time it will be pretty valueless as a 'runs well' category, and then you can do anything you want yourself without dramatic loss of asset value.


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Old 05-05-2013, 10:21 PM
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Once more, have a look what the ASKING prices are (carsales.com.au for example) for used e53- possible you will be surprised. Premium segment vehicles are not holding value and 20k can be too much for E53 4.4L 2003. Yes, you can claim that you have fully stamped logbook and did all your services at dealership, but not too many people will give even 2k for that. I helped friends recently to purchase low mileage E53, they paid 16,5k including RWC.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:50 PM
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I had my car evaluated recently. 2006 3.0i 72000km, all genuine parts, complete service history, excellent tyres, immaculate throughout - $33900!


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Old 05-06-2013, 01:31 AM
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Redbook value for private sale for 2006 3L: 24800-28100 with mileage 70000-130000 km.
My friends also got insurance evaluation (2003 4.4L 125000km, no logbooks) : minimum $28xxx, maximum $34xxx, they tried to get minimum insurance figure as they bought car cheap, but cannot.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:56 AM
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But isn't that at the low end of values? I just had a look at carsales and it seems your car isn't valued more than any other X5 of same year and mileage.
I don't understand because you tout having dealer service, logbook endorsements and all that but where's your payoff?
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I trust my 16yr BMW certified mechanic who does work on the side aside from the dealership. He told me if he can do it anybody willing to learn and follow instructions can. He's always willing to give me tips and I have the peace of mind knowing he's there for the heavy duty stuff if the need arises. I do 70% repairs and service myself. Anything too complicated or requiring a lift goes to my mech since he has one of those in his garage. So far I'm very happy with the work I've done following the bentley manual plus DIY threads. I just completed a cooling overhaul yesterday on my e39(which shares the same engine with the 6cyl x5) and I felt very accomplished. I enjoyed every minute of it.

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Old 05-06-2013, 04:19 AM
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Brilliant BM109AR - your car is 16 yrs old, you've found an indi mechanic for the heavy stuff, and you can do 70% self-service. These are excellent criteria for the view I support, as your car is over 12 yrs old, and you won't incur dramatic loss in value by doing your own work.

My concern for all of you membersvis resale value, right? You don't want to lose car resale value, particularly with Beemas under 12 yrs old, so get it Sevices by authorised dealers, make sure your service book is stamped each time, and enjoy your car, and the money you collect on resale for your next new Beema!


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Brilliant BM109AR - your car is 16 yrs old, you've found an indi mechanic for the heavy stuff, and you can do 70% self-service. These are excellent criteria for the view I support, as your car is over 12 yrs old, and you won't incur dramatic loss in value by doing your own work.

My concern for all of you membersvis resale value, right? You don't want to lose car resale value, particularly with Beemas under 12 yrs old, so get it Sevices by authorised dealers, make sure your service book is stamped each time, and enjoy your car, and the money you collect on resale for your next new Beema!


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Sorry I meant my indy mechanic has 16yrs experience with bimmers. Mine is an 03 530i with 98k miles. Great car, drives awesome. I log everything I do by date and mileage just to keep up with scheduled maintenance. I plan to drive it till it won't drive no more so I'm not worried about resale.

Trying to decide between adding an X5 or e60 soon which is why I come around here once in a while. FYI I do plan on diy as much as I can on either choice too.
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Get an X5 e53. Why? It was the car that started the SUV revolution, the idea of the excellent Chief Designer at the time - Chris Bangle. You will own a piece of automotive history, and since BMW really wanted to make it create waves, they invested a tremendous lot of time in R & D. So what you have is an excellent car. Try getting a 2006 model, the final year. It will serve you well. I intend to keep mine until retirement age, which is many years !


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Put it this way, if you had to replace the sunroof, would you do it yourself? Gear box? Air Conditioner? Brake hydraulics system?, cv joints? Central locking system? Parking sensors. All I can say is good luck, because all these jobs I mention will undo most people's efforts, including their bank accounts.


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Yes, yes and yes. In fact, I reftrofitted the entire PDC system into my wifes X5.

Replacing a CV axle isn't complicated either.

Some of us are confident in our mechanical abilities and refuse to buy into the line of BS fed by the dealers.
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