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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 05-01-2013, 12:28 PM
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Feeler for interest in Skidplates for E36!!

This is a feeler to see what interest there is in a custom skidplate to be made for the E36 for protection of our low oil pan. If there is enough interest a prototype will be made up and pictures posted so the fitment and design can be seen.

The skidplate would include:
-Countersunk holes for bolts
-Opening for Oil Drain Plug
-Enough thickness for longevity

As for cost, seeing what others have designed and paid, $235 shipped is what I would ask.

I'm looking for comments, suggestions, and most importantly interest on this thread so feel free to ask questions!
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There are a bunch of folks on here that enjoy rally style racing, so I imagine there will be some interest.

What is the compatibility with the X-brace going to be? Will this replace (and replicate the behavior of) it?
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99% of street driven cars will benefit more from installing the factory x-brace, which not only protects the oil pan, but adds a lot of structural integrity to the chassis.
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99% of street driven cars will benefit more from installing the factory x-brace, which not only protects the oil pan, but adds a lot of structural integrity to the chassis.
Agreed. Coming in much cheaper at less than $200 installed. Less that $100 if you can find one used.
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Wow guys, I was trying to be constructive.
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meh...depends on materials and fit & finish of the product. without at least seeing a prototype, i don't think it'll garner a while lot of momentum. interest maybe, as it sounds like a decent idea, but actual cash layout?? nah.

might be better to do a list of names of those that may be interested in purchasing one after the prototype has been published, then maybe offer the first 10 buyers or so a discounted purchase price. plus a few free units to be used on a few cars that are used for rally, auto cross, and the like (as the class rules allow), to be field tested.

just my opinion, though.




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Thanks for the replies! I like the suggestions and can understand how some people wouldn't want to spend so much. Also I wouldn't accept money from anyone until I had the interest and a prototype made up. This is just a feeler to see if its something people would want over going with just an x-brace. I will continue to follow this thread and see if interest grows enough to warrant with the next steps.
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So would this take the place of the xbrace or work with it?
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if it's what i think it is, i believe it would be in front of the x-brace, under the radiator and front of engine area.



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Then there wouldn't be a need for an opening for the oil drain plug, which is one of the specs the OP listed. I think this potential product would be much bigger than a standard underpanel.


Hence my first question of compatibility with the motorsport x-brace. If this combines the functions of skid plate and x-brace, it could be quite beneficial...
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petriej is right in that it would be after the steering rack, between the rack and the cross brace. In designing it I would theoretically want it to work with both since there wouldn't be a point in it only working for one or the other. If I recall a forum member had designed a custom plate that incorporated the cross brace, which I think I could do without having to weld the brace like the person did.

As for the x-brace the problems I see (without having owned one as of yet) is that the plate would most likely be lower to the ground (perhaps negligible to some) and more importantly the mounting locations. It is something that I would want to test though.
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If it were me I'd either reproduce the X-brace's effects, and use its mounting points, or design the skid plate in such a way that it doesn't interfere with the x-brace.

JMHO, though...
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ok then...i am not seeing the benefit of this over the x brace....

and who welds in an x-brace??

anyway...not sure of the benefits over an x-brace. i was confusing this for an underpnel for the front. will need to see this in action or something....pending assessment pending interwebz surchez...


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Re: Feeler for interest in Skidplates for E36!!

I would think if you could take a good skidplate design but integrate beams into it to replicate the crossbrace, you'd have a very marketable product. You would need several holes through it for weight reduction and cooling but a hybrid brace/skidplate could be a success.

The only concern is that hellaflush seems to have peaked in popularity so I'm not sure that there's a huge market for it, but what do I know.

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If it were me I'd either reproduce the X-brace's effects, and use its mounting points, or design the skid plate in such a way that it doesn't interfere with the x-brace.

JMHO, though...
I don't think you'd ever be able to design a thin piece of metal (i.e. skid plate) to be as strong as the tubular bracing of the x-brace.

As I see it, there is no point in trying to design a "skid plate" for the E36, since the x-brace completely protects the oil pan. If anything, it makes a lot more sense to create a full underbody panel which goes from the edge of the bumper to slightly behind the x-brace. The E36 M3 Evo had full plastic panels in this location for underbody aero, and they had recessed portions which allowed them to be installed with an x-brace fitted. This way you get all the added benefits of having streamlined underbody aero and general protection from rocks, twigs, and other debris, and the x-brace is still there to protect the oil pan in the event of bottoming out, etc.
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I would think if you could take a good skidplate design but integrate beams into it to replicate the crossbrace, you'd have a very marketable product. You would need several holes through it for weight reduction and cooling but a hybrid brace/skidplate could be a success.

The only concern is that hellaflush seems to have peaked in popularity so I'm not sure that there's a huge market for it, but what do I know.

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Exactly.

DF, the crossbrace wouldn't protect the oil pan like a skid pad would if you were driving over spiky hard things, like rocks.
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I don't think you'd ever be able to design a thin piece of metal (i.e. skid plate) to be as strong as the tubular bracing of the x-brace.

As I see it, there is no point in trying to design a "skid plate" for the E36, since the x-brace completely protects the oil pan. If anything, it makes a lot more sense to create a full underbody panel which goes from the edge of the bumper to slightly behind the x-brace. The E36 M3 Evo had full plastic panels in this location for underbody aero, and they had recessed portions which allowed them to be installed with an x-brace fitted. This way you get all the added benefits of having streamlined underbody aero and general protection from rocks, twigs, and other debris, and the x-brace is still there to protect the oil pan in the event of bottoming out, etc.
sounds like this would be beneficial for road rallies...high speed salt flat runs and such. and i get the idea that pointy pokey things like rocks and such would fit through the openings of the x-brace. but i would probably put some sort of expanded sheet for added protection.




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I don't think you'd ever be able to design a thin piece of metal (i.e. skid plate) to be as strong as the tubular bracing of the x-brace.
My idea was flat sheet for skid plate with reinforced tubular extrusions for strength to replicate a cross brace. I think that would be beneficial. It also would help track racers that may do some accidental high speed offroading from having sensors or wires ripped off.

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Feeler for interest in Skidplates for E36!!

If this thing is quality and can be low profile I'm down to order one if I get a m3. I had roughly 3/4 inch to the ground from my front subframe. And 1" to the oil pan. Make one... Lets see what you got.


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