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The fourth generation 3 Series (E46 chassis) was introduced in 1999 and set the standard for engineering and performance during it's years of production including being named to Car & Driver's 10 best list every one of those years! ! -- View the E46 Wiki

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Old 04-30-2013, 08:13 AM
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Summer setup- worth it?

Need some advice - I have a non-sport 17" all-season setup currently - I'm considering going with an M sport 17" staggered setup with Michelin PS2's. I would use my current 17" alloys for my winter setup with some Blizzaks.

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With the summer setup - what performance/ ride quality gains will I experience?

Is it worth it to use a summer setup on a non-sport pkg - instead of the all season approach?

If I went with a high-end all-season tire vs the Michelin PS2's - big difference??

I have terrible tramlining issues with the crap Falcon ziex tires (less than 6k miles) - I currently use - so now's the time for a decision.

Thanks in advance!!!
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:50 AM
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I love summer tires (currently Goodyear Eagle F1GS, but have also used Bridgestone SO3s and Conti ProContacts).

You get phenomenal dry and wet grip.

Of the 3 tires I've used, the Goodyears wear the best (mine are 8 years old and still have good tread!), the Bridgestones had the best grip and the Contis were decent grip & wear.

Tramlining is definitely a downside.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:19 AM
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Since you`re diving into unknown waters here, use a little moderation....instead of blowing your load ($1200 worth) on PS2s right off the bat, go with a similar-performing tire, but at half the PS2`s cost. That would be the Hankook Ventus V12 110....
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:06 AM
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Suggestion:

Since you`re diving into unknown waters here, use a little moderation....instead of blowing your load ($1200 worth) on PS2s right off the bat, go with a similar-performing tire, but at half the PS2`s cost. That would be the Hankook Ventus V12 110....
I thought the experienced E46 owners out there would shed some light on the unknown and guide me into the right setup - I don't mind spending the money on something that will increase my driving pleasure.

So - the summer tires are worth it over the all-season?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:40 AM
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So - the summer tires are worth it over the all-season?
That would be like me saying "Because I like Korean food, you`re gonna like it too"....

Everybody is different....you may or may not think that "they`re worth it", but you really won`t know until you take the plunge.
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I love summer tires (currently Goodyear Eagle F1GS, but have also used Bridgestone SO3s and Conti ProContacts).

You get phenomenal dry and wet grip.

Of the 3 tires I've used, the Goodyears wear the best (mine are 8 years old and still have good tread!), the Bridgestones had the best grip and the Contis were decent grip & wear.

Tramlining is definitely a downside.
Thanks for the advice - which tire gave you the most tramlining? This is something that is driving me crazy with my all seasons.
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Thanks for the advice - which tire gave you the most tramlining? This is something that is driving me crazy with my all seasons.
Tramlining is more a result of the combination of a tire`s section width, aspect ratio, and tread pattern. It really doesn`t matter if it`s All Season, Summer, whatever....

Also, some tires that tramline a lot when brand-new will improve considerably after they get some miles on them. My PS1s were like this....

Addendum: Check for crowning of your strut towers....that could contribute to tramlining as well....
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You know, Bob is right in saying that it's impossible to say if you'll like them or not (paraphrasing a bit here.) Tires are a subjective thing and selecting the right tire for you involves many factors. The best place to determine which may be the best is www.tirerack.com. You can look at factors like ride, handling, wear etc and decide. You can also see where the tire was made which for me is a deciding factor as I will only buy tires made in the US or in Europe. I would not trust a safety item like tires to a cost cutting Chinese manufacturer, so I stick with the more expensive brands and look at country of manufacture for the specific tire I intend on purchasing and that factors into my decision.

I happen to have Michelin PS2's on my E46 and love them - although I probably love them for different reasons than others would. I happen to like the way they ride and how quiet they are. Best of all they are less vulnerable to flat spotting than the Pirelli's they replaced which is an important factor for me since the car sits for weeks at a time in the winter. Yes, they grip well, the handling is fantastic, steering feedback is top notch - but my E46 is a convertible and it's never going to go to the track so those things are nice but not the primary factor in my purchasing decision.

A lot of people recommend the Conti DWS as an all season tire. I have those on my 650i and hate them because it took four times to get them balanced properly and I still have the tiniest vibration between 60 and 65MPH. BMW shops and tire shops say the tires are the problem, yet Continental has denied my warranty claim. Can't wait for them to wear out but after 20k miles the damn things still look new!!!
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A lot of people recommend the Conti DWS as an all season tire. I have those on my 650i and hate them because it took four times to get them balanced properly and I still have the tiniest vibration between 60 and 65MPH. BMW shops and tire shops say the tires are the problem, yet Continental has denied my warranty claim. Can't wait for them to wear out but after 20k miles the damn things still look new!!!
Whenever you have new tires mounted, it`s assumed that they are *perfectly round*....not so....most will have lots of miniscule surface irregularities which remain in play for several hundred miles, until they wear away. Which is why it`s always best to have that "final balance" done after putting a thousand miles or so on those tires. By that point, they`re about as "round" as they`re ever gonna be....
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I've had all the Michelin summer tires and the Pilot Super Sports are killers. Yes they will make a huge difference over all season.

And strongly consider replacing your CAB's as this will play havoc with tramlining. Eliminated it on my car.
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And strongly consider replacing your CAB's as this will play havoc with tramlining. Eliminated it on my car.[/QUOTE]

I replaced the control arms, bushings and links August 2012 - I inspected them when I did an oil service - and everything was tight. Meyle from OEMbimmer.
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And strongly consider replacing your CAB's as this will play havoc with tramlining. Eliminated it on my car.
I replaced the control arms, bushings and links August 2012 - I inspected them when I did an oil service - and everything was tight. Meyle from OEMbimmer.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this... plus, I'm surprised you have tramlining issues with all-seasons and non-sport package... above might be an issue..

I think the upgrade to summers would be well worth it, but I wouldn't get a staggered setup.. Find some 325i Sport wheels (style 44. 98 or 119).. those are 17 X 8, all around... with 225/45-17 rubber...

Haven't checked the offerings lately, but Bridgestone and Continental have some cheaper offerings... in the $700 range...
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Summer setup- worth it?

What exactly should I look for when inspecting the control arms and bushings?? When I had the car on the lift - everything looked and felt tight.


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Have someone drive your car slowly as you stand to the side and observe the front wheel. When they get right next to you, have them NAIL the brake pedal, while you watch the wheel to see if it moves rearward a couple of inches under hard braking.

If it does move, your CABs need replacing.
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Have someone drive your car slowly as you stand to the side and observe the front wheel. When they get right next to you, have them NAIL the brake pedal, while you watch the wheel to see if it moves rearward a couple of inches under hard braking.

If it does move, your CABs need replacing.
Didn't seem to move - maybe I'll just have my Indy check it out. The confusing part is - I did tires first and then the Meyle control arms and bushings a few weeks later. Tramlining started within 1k miles.


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