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Old 05-05-2013, 07:40 AM
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Thumbs up 523i/528i DME coding - UPDATE.... swap by 523i to 530i completed

Hello,

someone in this forum has a F10/F11 528i with 3 litres, 6 cylinders ?

I've a F11 523i 3 litres, 6 cylinders, that has the same engine, but downgraded via DME coding to 204 cv (starting 258cv for 528i).

I would like to attempt to use 528i DME coding on my car.

May someone, that has the 528i 3 litres, 6 cylinder, read its DME coding CAFD file and give it to me (screenshoot, file, PM, ecc)?

Thank you very much, in advance.

UPDATE n. 1 ON JUNE 1st, 2013

Flashed DME and EGS with 528i firmware (engine and other hardware are the same for both the type of car ..... both EU spec)

UPDATE n. 2 ON JUNE 3rd, 2013
Bought three stages intake manifold KIT from German BMW dealer... It's coming... Hard to sleep these next nights.

UPDATE n. 3 ON JULY 1st, 2013
Installed three stages intake manifold and DISA valves. Car is still working in protected mode, but for error is blocking DME. ISTAD found error for conflict between firmware and DME varianten


FINAL UPDATE ON SEPTEMPER 13, 2014: 528i working DME and Alpina VMAX limiter 319 km/h

Attached are the detailed instructions for programming procedure made by the great teacher Miotoo. Please note for terms of use on page 1: "Success may vary, we take no responsibility for any damage that may occur in relation to the document and the risk is entirely taken by those attempting to perform it."

You are lucky..... I tested it for you....

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:12 PM
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Hello,

someone in this forum has a F10/F11 528i with 3 litres, 6 cylinders ?

I've a F11 523i 3 litres, 6 cylinders, that has the same engine, but downgraded via DME coding to 204 cv (starting 258cv for 528i).

I would like to attempt to use 528i DME coding on my car.

May someone, that has the 528i 3 litres, 6 cylinder, read its DME coding CAFD file and give it to me (screenshoot, file, PM, ecc)?

Thank you very much, in advance.
I don't think you will be able to get where you want to go with just changing the DME Coding. You would most likely need to somehow flash the 528i DME firmware onto your 523i.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:29 PM
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The Dme ECU for F10/11 523i/528i is the Siemens MSD87.1. There isn't a tuner in the world that is able to flash it.
The only way is try to code it with 528i parameters. I think that the DME has a unique firmware, but it works differently with different configuration parameters.
For example i found a parameter with a value equal to 270.
For my car 270 is the maximum torque. Then, if i will find in 528i for that value the Number 305 (maximum torque for 528i), it will confirm my idea.
Too simple to be true...
But BMW works so.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:43 PM
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The Dme ECU for F10/11 523i/528i is the Siemens MSD87.1. There isn't a tuner in the world that is able to flash it.
The only way is try to code it with 528i parameters. I think that the DME has a unique firmware, but it works differently with different configuration parameters.
For example i found a parameter with a value equal to 270.
For my car 270 is the maximum torque. Then, if i will find in 528i for that value the Number 305 (maximum torque for 528i), it will confirm my idea.
Too simple to be true...
But BMW works so.
Ok. Good luck and let us know if it works for you.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:47 PM
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I hope...
But, i need to find first some F10/11 528i owners that would read their DME ECU for me.
However, thank you Shawn. Yours advices and your Help are most appreciated.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:00 AM
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I hope...
But, i need to find first some F10/11 528i owners that would read their DME ECU for me.
However, thank you Shawn. Yours advices and your Help are most appreciated.
PM Sean (ImSW1). He has a 528i with I6 Engine, and I am sure he would send you his DME .NCD file.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:11 AM
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Thank you..
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:16 AM
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PM Sean (ImSW1). He has a 528i with I6 Engine, and I am sure he would send you his DME .NCD file.
File sent. Easy as pie!

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Old 05-06-2013, 02:04 AM
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Many thanks.
I will inform you.
Other .ncd files needed, because with different optionals something may change (I've 8 gear Sport automatic transmission and Integral scrive steering).
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:18 AM
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With Shawsheridan's help, i found differences into dme .ncd file.
Varianten_config must be set to wert=002 to have the same .ncd file for f10 528i (with n30b30 engine... eu version). However my dme isn't codeable due to antituning system.
The idea was good...
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AW: 523i/528i DME coding

all coding parameters in registers with the variant config and vmax be locked after 10 hours of operation and can not be changed. You have to reset the operating hours of the dme and the cas. anyone knows how to do that?

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Old 06-01-2013, 07:28 AM
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UPDATE

Step 2: Flashing DME with different engine type, goes well......

Thanks to Miotoo effort, learning me out to use e-sys to flash and to plan step by step all the procedure, this morning i flashed my car.

Is a F11 523i european specs (engine N53B30 - engine type MT11) and now it became a F11 528i european specs (engine N53B30 - engine type MY51).

I give to Miotoo the honour to explain technically the procedure. He is the teacher. I'm only a brave owner and a capable student

The procedure was possible because the hardware into the two kind of car is the same (same engine, same DME, same gearshift, same exhaust system).

Only the intake manifold is different. On 523i is a single stage, on 528i/530i is a three stages with DISA valves.

Now the car works better until 2500/2800 rmp. After it goes in safe mode because i didn't yet buy the three stages intake manifold..... I need to try the flashing, before.

However next week i'll order and between 10/12 days my car will finally have its lost 54 hp, updating by 204cv to 258cv.

I will study other target. If the 530i euro specs has same hardware for my 523i (ex.. now 528i ) i'll take other 14cv, with flash update to 272cv....

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Old 06-01-2013, 07:39 AM
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UPDATE

Step 2: Flashing DME with different engine type, goes well......

Thanks to Miotoo effort, learning me out to use e-sys to flash and to plan step by step all the procedure, this morning i flashed my car.

Is a F11 523i european specs (engine N53B30 - engine type MT11) and now it became a F11 528i european specs (engine N53B30 - engine type MY51).

I give to Miotoo the honour to explain technically the procedure. He is the teacher. I'm only a brave owner and a capable student

The procedure was possible because the hardware into the two kind of car is the same (same engine, same DME, same gearshift, same exhaust system).

Only the intake manifold is different. On 523i is a single stage, on 528i/530i is a three stages with DISA valves.

Now the car works better until 2500/2800 rmp. After it goes in safe mode because i didn't yet buy the three stages intake manifold..... I need to try the flashing, before.

However next week i'll order and between 10/12 days my car will finally have its lost 54 hp, updating by 204cv to 258cv.

I will study other target. If the 530i euro specs has same hardware for my 523i (ex.. now 528i ) i'll take other 14cv, with flash update to 272cv....
Awesome work by Miotoo and you.



Looking forward to the DIY write-up.
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:44 AM
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Here is a document where on page 41 we can study DISA functionality for three stages intake manifold (the egine type is the M54).
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This made me wonder the possibility of flashing the 640i/740i dme onto 535i
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This made me wonder the possibility of flashing the 640i/740i dme onto 535i
Hmmm...what is HP rating for 640i/740i wth N55?
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This made me wonder the possibility of flashing the 640i/740i dme onto 535i
You have to be sure that the hardware (engine, Dme, ecc) must be the same.....
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Hmmm...what is HP rating for 640i/740i wth N55?
I believe it's 315hp and 330 lb-ft
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I believe it's 315hp and 330 lb-ft
Ok...so just a slight hp bump up from 306 hp.
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Ok...so just a slight hp bump up from 306 hp.
And 10% increase in torge
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Here is an ESYS oriented technical summary of what @maisav & myself did on his car.

I appreciate his cooperation, the risk he was willing to take in testing this procedure and am happy to have him as member in our aspiring coding forum

I'm also glad the results are positive and that he is now on his way to achieving a long sought-for mod. Once the intake manifold will be swapped, he will go for a dyno run so we can measure the power & torque achievements.

The process involved:
Verifications
Changing the FA of the car to the target Production Code
Calculations of Target SVT & TAL
Processing of TAL

Our approach was to minimize the change. So nothing but working with a perfectly programmed/coded car and using the same I-step as the current. We proceeded with needed modifications to the DME SWFL at first. This gave us the confidence that we could go back if there is a problem. Once successful, we proceeded with the EGS.

Flashing ECU's with E-sys is not a technically complicated process and the risks involved are not of technical nature. Passing the flashing process itself with success needs some precautions & guidelines which are general to any eeprom style programming:

1. Maintain constant power supply to the programming & target devices
2. Allow sufficient time for processing to complete
3. Stop in case of errors and analyze/troubleshoot the reasons before proceeding
4. Use the programming tool built-in controls to assure proper processing

The E-Sys tool itself has powerful controls to avoid flashing mistakes when it comes to compatibility between the software to be flashed & the target ECU. The ECU's themselves being of automotive grade are by nature of robust fail-safe design, especially those related to engine, transmission, safety & security.
E-Sys also provides the integration support by managing the Master Security Module (MSM) of the car to maintain security & compatibility in programming.
The controls in the hands of the user however, do allow for a lot of manual manipulation which can lead to failed, incorrect flashing and a non-functioning car.

What E-Sys does not provide us is:
1. Information about initialization procedures that may be required to run following a software change
2. Information about fault errors that may be registered in the ECU fault memory during or after TAL processing
3. Tools necessary to perform required follow-up procedures or fault clearing.

Therefore, the risks in this process is mitigated mostly by keeping strict planning & control, understanding the integration of the change within the car-wide computerized network, being vigilant in troubleshooting unexpected failures before making new attempts and finally making sure that the E-Sys settings and functions are carefully and correctly set.

The detailed write-up will be added to the opening post.

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I don't think you will be able to get where you want to go with just changing the DME Coding. You would most likely need to somehow flash the 528i DME firmware onto your 523i.
You had reason.....
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You had reason.....
And you two pulled it off. Great work. I'm looking forward to the detailed DIY guide.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:53 PM
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Hi shawnsheridan,
do you know maisav? We started this new adventure: regain the power that BMW has taken away.
He had the courage to start work before me, and he also had the good fortune to find people like you.
Let's see if I'm lucky, too: what do I need to start programming my car? I have a BMW 325i E92 CiC N53B30 Steptronic 6 speed (3000 cc), which has 54 HP hidden.
Thank you in advance.
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Welcome to another italian bimmer, who wants to start its own adventure in upgrading N53B30 engine....
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