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Old 05-18-2013, 01:35 AM
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I think it will have the same quality problems of the rest of MB's line. MB has really cheapened their build quality over the last 7-10 years. Actually I think Benz hit its Zenith in 1991. When I'm out of town, I might stop at a Benz dealer to look at one. All I know is I had a boat load of problems with both W212 models (both were E350 4matic P2 package new cars). The 2011 had so many rattles and problems it was insane. The 2013 was bought back because of problem with HVAC. I like Mercedes, but it would take a lot to get me in their cars again.

MB can't touch the build quality of even the 5. I think there's another guy that has had one E class as well. KA and I have had our Mercedes experience.
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:16 AM
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I think it will have the same quality problems of the rest of MB's line. MB has really cheapened their build quality over the last 7-10 years. Actually I think Benz hit its Zenith in 1991.
I'm sure the Chrysler "talent" that leeched into Benz since the late 90s didn't help matters.



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Old 05-18-2013, 06:19 AM
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Old 05-18-2013, 07:26 AM
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I think it will have the same quality problems of the rest of MB's line. MB has really cheapened their build quality over the last 7-10 years. Actually I think Benz hit its Zenith in 1991. When I'm out of town, I might stop at a Benz dealer to look at one. All I know is I had a boat load of problems with both W212 models (both were E350 4matic P2 package new cars). The 2011 had so many rattles and problems it was insane. The 2013 was bought back because of problem with HVAC. I like Mercedes, but it would take a lot to get me in their cars again.

MB can't touch the build quality of even the 5. I think there's another guy that has had one E class as well. KA and I have had our Mercedes experience.
I had a W211 E Class and it was totally reliable. Sold it when I bought my Range Rover. As for the new S, I really like it. May well be the car to take over from the RR.
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I am not sure what MB is think of changing the perfectly nice interior of the current S-class to the this redesign version. Like many of MB's recent designs, it seems to lacks cohesiveness, almost like there is nobody in charge of the design project. The LCI S-class' interior is a perfect example, the traditional old school interior do not go well with that big LCD display. It's almost like trying to blend in a 72 inches modern LED TV in a room full of funeral home furniture.
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I am not sure what MB is think of changing the perfectly nice interior of the current S-class to the this redesign version. Like many of MB's recent designs, it seems to lacks cohesiveness, almost like there is nobody in charge of the design project. The LCI S-class' interior is a perfect example, the traditional old school interior do not go well with that big LCD display. It's almost like trying to blend in a 72 inches modern LED TV in a room full of funeral home furniture.
Very well put in regards to the interior. It's like putting an LCD flatscreen in an old Country Club and Gucci patterns on the upholstery.

I've heard that M-B has multiple guys who go through each cars design, one finishes, then the other "tweaks", then the other, etc. IMO that might explain the total lack of cohesive language in their recent designs, and all the almost frantic messy discordance. BMW apparently have a much more logical way of going about it, where the design who pens the car is ultimately in charge, or course with help here and there and the big man (Design Chief) watching and leading from above.

Bringing up Chrysler, considering how horrid they became after M-B merged with them (even worse than they were beforehand many think), and considering "Dr. Z" was the CEO of the Chrysler division then.... and now he's the CEO of the entire Daimler empire.... that might explain some stuff. I'm not a fan of what he's done, though he inherited a huge mess from the man who dragged M-B through the mud: Schremmp.
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Old 05-19-2013, 06:07 PM
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Must say BMW was smart to announce its facelifted 5 Series and M5 and M6 Competition packages shortly after Mercedes’ W222 S-Class unveiling, not to mention the fact that virtually undisguised 2 Series photos have magically surfaced as well. Different model classes aside, gave people just enough time to go gaga over the new S and then placed its unveiling in the ‘lesser new’ news category...
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A new S Class is hardly lesser news. It's an important car in the segment. The S is still the go-to choice for the discerning and self-respecting Plutocrat
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A new S Class is hardly lesser news. It's an important car in the segment. The S is still the go-to choice for the discerning and self-respecting Plutocrat
Not saying it's lesser (it's definitely not lesser, it's far greater), but saying it's now 'less new' news...
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:59 PM
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Old 05-20-2013, 02:10 AM
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I don't think it's fair to lump Chrysler as the culprit for Mercedes Benz products. Their Zenith was in 1991 or 1992. Remember the mega new platform W220 that was plagued with problems that had a massive price increase over the previous gen?

Daimler-Benz had the controlling interest in buying and merging. They did not inject Chrysler LeBaron genetics into their cars. We know that Jeep/M Class has very similar DNA. Let's call it like it is--Mercedes went downhill on it's own despite Chrysler. I had 6 new cars from MB from 2006-2012. Blaming Chrysler is pretty ridiculous coming from the money coming from Germany, and new engineering from Germany. We've seen our own issues from BMW over the same timeframe. I've had a few BMW's over the past few years. Given my last MB that was bought back due to a mfg problem (in Germany) I won't touch them again.

I think BMW offers some quality products but can still be irked by things here and there. I'll be going in for squeaky brakes that make noise engaging at 50 mph and as well at 15 mph. They do it all the time, yet the dealer can't find the problem. Funny, I pick up the car and radio is on. My point is all of these cars have problems. Some have more or less. BMW for me has been less, except for my 08 335xi which would cut out at speed. The dealer magically couldn't figure that out. We know the problems of the N54.

Zeitsche came from Germany. The Germans owned the place, so the blame placed on Mercedes quality problems blamed on Chrysler is false. MB got greedy and cheap. After the divorce, they kept the cheap way of doing things--look at a 5 series interior the an E Class. There's a major difference. Benz cheapened because they wanted to. Why do you think you get pleather and halogens are standard on the E. Every Benz salesmen will tell you that the pleather is better than any leather on the face of the earth--until you call BS and custom order a car.

BMW has gotten better. I think their biggest problem right now is with their handling, specifically the electronic steering. My first F10 wandered all over. My second with sport, and adjustable damper is almost as bad. It goes to everyone has their issues. I think BMW just makes a better car...much better than MB.
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BMW has major problems with quality control and its corporate culture - trickled down to the dealers - in not giving a F to back its products at times; the whole "cannot duplicate concern" response to companywide known problems. Sadly, the N54 HPFP fiasco is their form of crisis management. In terms of design and material quality, BMW's been on top since 2009, but the new S-Class seems to be turning a page...

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I'd wait to touch around the S before believing that the material quality is even class leading (I'm talking about the Base version which everyone will get).

M-B's interior quality has dropped drastically ever since the W204 C Class. The E has worst materials in class, the CLA is said to have a crude interior, the W205 C Classes interior spy shots look to signify a very cheap looking/feeling interior.

However, M-B has been increasingly treating the S as an "out of brand" model when it comes to interiors, so I wouldn't be surprised if it had material quality and craftsmanship that you won't find anywhere else within the range (aside from the CL, of course).

Even the SLS interior isn't anything that impressive, especially considering it is almost INTERCHANGEABLE with the SLK.
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I'd wait to touch around the S before believing that the material quality is even class leading (I'm talking about the Base version which everyone will get).

M-B's interior quality has dropped drastically ever since the W204 C Class. The E has worst materials in class, the CLA is said to have a crude interior, the W205 C Classes interior spy shots look to signify a very cheap looking/feeling interior.

However, M-B has been increasingly treating the S as an "out of brand" model when it comes to interiors, so I wouldn't be surprised if it had material quality and craftsmanship that you won't find anywhere else within the range (aside from the CL, of course).

Even the SLS interior isn't anything that impressive, especially considering it is almost INTERCHANGEABLE with the SLK.
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Actually I agree and forgot about that. The pre-facelift C might have one of the worst modern interiors in existence, however the facelift really richened things up. Somehow I found something even more alluring about it than my E-Class that I got back into after having one as a loaner. In fact, I might say that I think the facelift C has a more elegant interior than the new 3-Series.
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Based on photos alone, the W222 may be the first S-Class since the W140 with real road presence. There, I said it...
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My gripe isn't so much the exterior but with the interior dash design. Those round vents are just ugly IMO. I've seen numerous photos and videos of all angles and still looks ugly to me. Also the dual large LCD displays look out of place. That fully digital speedometer looks cheap for an S Class. Again, I will have to see it in person to confirm my thoughts.
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The interior really is epic in that old-world luxury way, and does appear very comforting and rich. I just hate the awkward mating with the screen/s. However, I haven't seen an interior look so panderingly "old fogey" in a long time. And you know what? I actually like that FOR an S-Class. If there's one car that should confidently retain that old-worldness, it should be an S (and Rolls, etc.).
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I also have had a feeling that a lot of the "epic'ness" of the S design is due to M-B's majestic lighting and pic editing they've used. The dimensions and wheelbase/proportions are identical to the W221, IMO the headlights are hideously designed, make no sense with the front of the car, and I hate the dropping line which makes no sense (and ends nowhere) on the profile.... yet, somehow I do mostly like the car? I don't know if it's some "wholeness" that just makes up for the visible flaws I see or if it's picture-magic.

IMO in this pic, the S is worser in looks to its competitors, though I don't know if it's based on a real pic or completely edited:

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The new sportier front end of the LCI S-class is a total about-face with the ultra conserative interior. Chalk it up to another MB design with an identity crisis. The exterior will attract a much younger buyer demographics than the pre-LCI while the interior is well suited for the 70+ years old demographic. If MB's goal is to confuse their customers with a mix match design, they are doing one heck of a job.
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