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E36 /7 Z3 (1996-2002)
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Old 11-25-2006, 10:06 AM
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Question Z3 Seatbelt Guide

The seatbelt guide (interestilng piece of work) on the passenger side has broken and BMW wants $200 to install..*****!! I have unsuccesfully tried using Goop and Super Glue. It is extremely difficult to line up the contact points where broken and get glue to adhere the two pieces. Anyone with the same problem? If so how was it resolved? Please advise. Thanks!

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Old 11-25-2006, 11:47 AM
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This is a very common Z3 problem. The "by the book" solution involves partially stripping the seat cover -- hence the $200 fee that your local BMW dealer wants. A "how-to" with pictures is documented at http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=479280.

Other clever solutions involve:
1. Putting black "heat shrink" tubing over the inside and outside loops (with seat belt in place), then using a blow dryer on the tubing.

2. Drilling small holes in the outer bracket and using zip ties to hold it together like at http://mysite.verizon.net/ressah8x/

3. Dane Kane's restorer strap http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/z3/7787167-1.html and http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/z3/7779477-1.html


On the glue front, there is a super glue designed for plastics that you might find at auto supply stores. But super glues don't do well with flexing. The plastic epoxies that I know are all light colored, so they would look bad.

PS: Someone had success with Gorilla glue (urethane). See http://bimmerfest.com/forums/showthr...eat+belt+guide
Also do a search on "seat belt guide" in this forum.

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Old 12-12-2006, 04:09 PM
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Smile Seatbelt Guide

This Is How I Resolved The Problem With The Seatbelt Guide. I Very Carefully Drilled A Small Hole Through The Inside Of The Top Portion Of The Plastic Guide Into The Leather Seat And Through The Plastic Face-plate Which Is On The Inside Of The Seat Itself. I Used Was A Metal Screw That Was Threaded All The Way To The Head Of The Screw...leaving Very Little Room For The Head To Show. You Cannot See If Unless You Are Looking For It Plus When The Seatbelt Is Inside The Guide...it Cannot Be Seen. Now The Top Portion Of The Broken Seatbelt Guide Is Securely Fastened By The Screw And Does Not Move From Side To Side Or Rotate Around. It Is Completely Stationary.

Next I Drilled Another Small Hole (this Time From The Outside Of The Bottom Portion Of The Guide...careful Not To Drill Into The Large Bolt That Secures The Bottom Portion Of The Guide. (by The Way The Top Portion Of The Guide Also Has A Large Bolt That Secures it to the faceplate inside the seat) Now The Top And Bottom Portions Of The Guide Are Secured To The Seat By The Small Screws That Go Completely Through The Plastic Guide...through The Leather Seat...and Into The Platic Plate Behind The Seat. Note That The Screw Inserted From The Outside Does Show Itself, But The Head Is So Small That Almost Nobody Would Notice. I Painted The Head Of The Screw With A Black Permanent Marker So That It Blends In With The Black Plastic Guide.

When The Seatbelt Was Fitted Back Into The Guide And Checked To See If It Worked...the Seat Belt Found Its Way Into The Gap Where The Guide Was Broken And Would Hang Up Where The Guide Was Separated. Remember...the Guide Is Still Broken...it Is Just Made Stationary And Back In Place By The Two Screws.

I Resolved This By Cutting A Black Piece Of Black Felt With An Adhesive Backing And Adheared It To The Inside Of The Plastic Guide (like A U-shape) So The Belt Would Slide Smoothly Inside The Felt.

Now ....no More Ugly Eyesore And The Belt Works Fine. Most people will not notice and will never know the difference.

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Old 12-12-2006, 06:02 PM
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This is why I love you guys!

This approach supports the saying, "There's more than one way to skin a cat". Good job
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Old 12-12-2006, 07:54 PM
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Good deal! I'm the one who used the gorilla glue before. It held for a very long time but the pieces slowly parted again. The surface of the two broken parts is just so small that even this strong glue didn't last. I might try one of the other suggestions...
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I used Dan Kane's kit. It was very inexpensive, less than $20 for a pair shipped. Took about five minutes to install both of them. I've had them on for three months and have had no problems at all.

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Old 01-03-2007, 05:17 PM
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Very inexpensive.....Very effective
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:49 AM
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My entire drivers side seat belt guide came out of the seat, any ideas on how to install without tearing the seat apart?
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Old 05-10-2009, 07:42 PM
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I took a piece of brass kick plate off a door. Using a good set of hand cutters I cut off a small strip of it. I mixed up a batch of J.B. Weld, let it set up to a putty. To protect the seat I slipped wax paper between the guide and seat. Take the jbw fill the underside and stick the piece of bass in. A small spring clamp to hold it tight until set up. Repeat process on the other side. This takes the stress off the break and spreads it over a larger area. Mine is still holding. Hope it helps someone.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:00 AM
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Talking seatbelt guides

It was great to see someone finally figured out a way to repair the seatbelt guides without removing the seat covering. Putting a piece of metal behind the broken guides and securing it with JB weld was just genius. Going to try it as soon as I purchase the needed supplies.
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Old 06-08-2013, 08:51 AM
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Here is a new repair kit that I have ordered as a precaution to install before my guides actually do break:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150914868208...S:3160&vxp=mtr
The vendor emailed me that:
"I have been working on this solution for over a year to perfect it and keep it very simple yet result in a one-time-repair that will not only fix the problem for good but if it has not yet broken it will prevent it from occurring in the future. My studies have found that over 75% of the BMW Z3's in the US have already experienced this problem. It is simply a design defect as a result of BMW making every effort to keep manufacturing costs down. I have placed this item on eBay BMW Z3, Z3 ROADSTER OR M ROADSTER SEAT BELT GUIDE FIX REPAIR KIT - 150914868208)..."

The vendor does not reveal his solution. It may be like one of those already posted here, but now brought to market. I have already installed Roadster Solutions' velcro braces, but they are rather inelegant and I was curious about this new solution.

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Old 06-08-2013, 10:07 AM
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That looks like a piece of Velcro strap. I bought that repair a few years ago as a preventative, but I didn't like the drag it added to the belts. They simply wouldn't retract anymore. I finally took them off.

That price seems way too high.
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:16 AM
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That looks like a piece of Velcro strap. I bought that repair a few years ago as a preventative, but I didn't like the drag it added to the belts. They simply wouldn't retract anymore. I finally took them off.
That price seems way too high.
I was hoping that the velcro wrap or strap in the eBay vendors photos is not what he is selling. I was hoping it was something new that he says he spent a year inventing.
Because I already have the velcro wrap from Roadster Solutions, shown halfway down this page.
http://www.roadstersolutions.com/page39.html

If they are both selling velcro, at least the eBay guy is half the price of Roadster Solutions!

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Old 06-10-2013, 12:06 PM
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I was hoping that the velcro wrap or strap in the eBay vendors photos is not what he is selling. I was hoping it was something new that he says he spent a year inventing.
Because I already have the velcro wrap from Roadster Solutions, shown halfway down this page.
http://www.roadstersolutions.com/page39.html
If they are both selling velcro, at least the eBay guy is half the price of Roadster Solutions!
Well, the eBay vendor at http://www.ebay.com/itm/150914868208...S:3160&vxp=mtr is selling the same velcro kit as Roadster Solutions, with the same instruction sheet, at half the price.

My seatbelt retracts OK past the resistance of the velcro strap, just takes a wiggle or two to help it move along.

I don't understand how the seatbelt could ever apply enough stress on the plastic guide to break the base on the seat. I could understand if people yanked outward on the belt and broke the upper and lower guides, but they don't break; the bolted base is what breaks.

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Old 06-11-2013, 12:44 PM
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Had the same problem on my Z-3 2000 other than both of them were broken. I ended up purchasing a set of seat covers from Wet Okole. By putting on the covers I did away with the seatbelt guides and saved myself over $500.00 and they look and fit super.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:36 PM
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So they covered up the guides, or you just removed the guides? Do the seat belts work OK with no guides?
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:18 PM
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i just took the seat out and i found a local seat upholsters put the seat guide in for about hundred bucks, and got the guide online. problem done
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:54 PM
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i just took the seat out and i found a local seat upholsters put the seat guide in for about hundred bucks, and got the guide online. problem done
So you bought new unbroken seat guides, took the seats out, took the seats and guides to a seat shop, and they took the OE seat covers off, installed the new guides, and put the seat covers back on. $100 per seat.
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Old 06-11-2013, 06:17 PM
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Yep, I had it done in a day or two, I guess I got lucky with this one.
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I just went to a local fabric store and purchased a packet of 4 2x4 lengths of Velcro for 5 dollars. I just used two of the strips and it works fine. There is no binding of the seat belt against the Velcro.
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