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X5 F15 (2014 - Current)
The all new F15 BMW X5 started production August 2013 as a 2014 model year. The new X5 arrives in sDrive35i (RWD), xDrive35i, xDrive50i and a diesel xDrive 35d.

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Old 05-30-2013, 09:37 AM
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BMW new Diesel version for 2014

From car and driver, about the new 3.0 Diesel:

"It will offer 255 horsepower, 413 lb-ft of torque, and a 0-to-60 time of less than seven seconds."

The current Diesel engine has 265 HP, and 425 Lb-ft of torque. What gives? Am I missing something? Why is BMW reducing the power in the new 3.0 D engines?

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Old 05-30-2013, 09:44 AM
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All explained in our F15 X5 coverage -

New X5 xDrive35d benefits from the latest BMW Advanced Diesel technology
The new BMW X5 xDrive35d features an all new inline six-cylinder diesel engine offering an even better balance between performance and fuel consumption than the outgoing diesel. The 3.0-liter engine, whose BMW TwinPower Turbo technology comprises VNT turbocharging and common rail direct injection, now develops maximum power of 255 hp and maximum torque of 413 lb-ft which is delivered between 1,500 and 3,000 rpm. In spite of the slight reduction in output from its predecessor, the new BMW X5 xDrive35d has a 0-100 km/h (62 mph) sprint time of 6.9 seconds (preliminary), making it just as quick or quicker. With the latest technology and the addition of an 8-speed automatic transmission, the new model is expected to post significant improvements in efficiency (EPA mileage estimates will be available closer to launch). The new X5 xDrive35d uses the latest in emission reduction technology. Lower nitrogen oxide limits are met using a close-coupled NOX adsorber catalyst and an SCR catalyst with urea (AdBlue) injection.

Read more about the 2014 F15 X5 here - http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=699522
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:51 PM
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Still don't see a reason to lower the output. The new tranny and weight redux alone should yield better mileage.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:12 PM
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My guess is that this will be a single turbo engine (despite the marketing name "TwinPower Turbo") and not double/bi-turbo as it is with the current E70

basically this will be the engine known from e.g. 330d, 530d in the rest of the world
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I don't care about the power reduction, its really minimum. What I care about is finally we get the 8-speed auto. As much as I love our X5 the current transmission sucks...no other way to put it.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:51 AM
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I don't care about the power reduction, its really minimum. What I care about is finally we get the 8-speed auto. As much as I love our X5 the current transmission sucks...no other way to put it.
That's interesting.. last year, the majority of diesel owners I read prefer the 6 speed transmission because of complaints of "too much spending time searching for the right gear" and / or "too many gears to switch". Now that it will be a part of the diesel platform... I'm curious to learn how many will ACTUALLY complain
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I am very happy with my six speed. It will be interesting to see the "improvement" from the extra gears. With such a tight RPM band on diesels, I am not sure there is a need for more gears other than possibly fuel economy reasons.
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I am very happy with my six speed. It will be interesting to see the "improvement" from the extra gears. With such a tight RPM band on diesels, I am not sure there is a need for more gears other than possibly fuel economy reasons.
When I'm on the interstate my '11 wants another gear.
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:08 PM
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When I'm on the interstate my '11 wants another gear.
So does my '12.
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I am very happy with my six speed. It will be interesting to see the "improvement" from the extra gears. With such a tight RPM band on diesels, I am not sure there is a need for more gears other than possibly fuel economy reasons.
Don't know what you like about it. it searches for gears way too much and on the interstate as some others have mentioned we need another gear. I have drove my best friend's 8-speed 35i and I LOVE it. Much better transmission.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:28 AM
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I dont care what number of speeds they put in it, as long as its
A) not hunting for gears
B) designed to last
C) Not Designed by BMW transmission Software developers

I`m gonna be happy.

They really dropped the ball on the 8 speed transmissions. The lag effect is UNFREAKIN BMW like. The only resolution I have seen is some kind of piggyback, which removes the dead pedal/lag response, but really comeon, why do I need to add-on dead-pedal removing piggback devices to the ultimate driving machine.....
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Hopefully they also make the ECM remember the last setting of ASS, and finally hopefully the diesel model has no option pack restrictions that the E70D had.
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+1 on needing another gear in E70. The RPMs are just too high on freeway for a diesel. 2200 RPM at 80MPH is a bit high.
However, that sure makes E70 fun to drive at 80mph. Just press the accelerator and it pushes you to the seat, no downshifting..
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For those of us who tow, it sucks that they are reducing the output. I don't really need another two gears for towing. It just means it will switching gears even more
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I don't care about the power reduction, its really minimum. What I care about is finally we get the 8-speed auto. As much as I love our X5 the current transmission sucks...no other way to put it.
Please explain why X5 diesel transmission is sucks?
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+1 on needing another gear in E70. The RPMs are just too high on freeway for a diesel. 2200 RPM at 80MPH is a bit high.
However, that sure makes E70 fun to drive at 80mph. Just press the accelerator and it pushes you to the seat, no downshifting..
Do you know Lexus LX570 with 5.7 liter engine and 383h/p in 80mph has rpm at 2600!
I had no problem with 6 speed transmission with any speed or any loads!
8 speed trans. will make efficient higher and that's it.
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Please explain why X5 diesel transmission is sucks?
I think I did on my second post above but let me put it specifically.

Not smooth at all, especially if you step on it a little more than normal, it hesitates on what gear to choose (again compared to the 8-speed). I had the same issue with the 6-speed on my 4.8i. Go test drive the X5 8-speed or the new Acura MDX and you will see the difference. On a 60k vehicle transmission needs to be a lot smoother.
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I am very happy with my six speed. It will be interesting to see the "improvement" from the extra gears. With such a tight RPM band on diesels, I am not sure there is a need for more gears other than possibly fuel economy reasons.
I'm likely missing your point, but with a tight band (esp. in terms of power) wouldn't more gears be desirable?
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I'm likely missing your point, but with a tight band (esp. in terms of power) wouldn't more gears be desirable?
Absolutely. More gears the better.
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Fact: More gears allow Diesel Engines to stay in their Ideal Power band, thus improving driving performance and pleasure
Fact: BMW literally cannot get programming on their transmissions in recent years down. They stumble, hesitate, or having stalling conditions
Fact: BMW stumbles on their programming regardless of transmission MFG: GM or ZF
Fact: Check out username: Needsdecaf's recent on post on the F10 section. Detailed account of his problem (same transmission), recount of time with the BMW district rep and engineer.
Opinion: The 6 speed is nice, albeit it has some issues with high rpm at hwy cruise speed (if your use to 7 or 8 speed transmissions in your other cars). The 8 speed is gonna take a dump on diesel aficionados if we are to judge how it will behave based on the current 8 speed offerings.

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I think I did on my second post above but let me put it specifically.

Not smooth at all, especially if you step on it a little more than normal, it hesitates on what gear to choose (again compared to the 8-speed). I had the same issue with the 6-speed on my 4.8i. Go test drive the X5 8-speed or the new Acura MDX and you will see the difference. On a 60k vehicle transmission needs to be a lot smoother.
You should probably drive another 35i. You step on the gas from a stop...cricket...cricket...ohhhh no I have to accelerate! Terrible delay. I touch the gas on the diesel with 6spd, immediately purrs and takes off! I'm so happy the e70 diesel retained the 6spd. Mine is smoother than the 8 speed in my F04.


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You should probably drive another 35i. You step on the gas from a stop...cricket...cricket...ohhhh no I have to accelerate! Terrible delay. I touch the gas on the diesel with 6spd, immediately purrs and takes off! I'm so happy the e70 diesel retained the 6spd. Mine is smoother than the 8 speed in my F04.


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your experience are totally different than mine, two SUVs with the 6-speed both duds IMO. on the 4.8i I even had the service manager drive with me, only to tell me that is "normal". Then he said you are not the only one complaining.

i thought the 8-speed in the 35i is great. I also drove several F30 with the 8-speed and i swear I would put it up to the dual clutch Audi units for smoothness without all the complexity. Only problem is I love manuals thus I ordered my F30 with a manual.
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What a tease:
"Spartanburg, S.C. August 1, 2013.Production of the third-generation BMW X5 officially began today with the manufacture of dealer vehicles designed to generate excitement and sales in their region. The first, new BMW X5 is a Mineral White M50d (six-cylinder inline diesel engine with M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology). It features Exclusive Nappa Mocha leather interior and will be exported to a dealer in Eastern Europe.
... the BMW X5 M50d M Performance Automobile with tri-turbo six-cylinder in-line diesel (280 kW/381 hp)."

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/press...tem=node__2207
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8 speed on my 35i is the best automatic I've had. It seems to me the throttle delay may not be a transmission thing.
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Imagine the pricing on the M50d for the NA market. LOL It would probably slot either at or equal to the base 50i and below the X5M
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