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Old 06-14-2013, 10:36 PM
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I've never had a car as unreliable as my BMWs

I love my BMWs, but I've never had a car as unreliable they have been. I've owned 1 Mazda, 3 Hondas, 2 Jeeps, 1 Infiniti and now 2 BMWs. I didn't have a single major problem with my previous 7 cars, but my BMWs have been rendered undriveable at least 5 times now. I had more problems with my first BMW in the first 6 months than my all of my previous 19 years of cars combined. I've lost track of how many fuel pumps I've gone through, even after BMW 'fixed' the problem with them. I think I'm up to 4. Again Friday night on the way home at 1am my car went into limp mode. Thankfully I was close to home, but the first time it happened it was 11pm 2h from home in a McDonald's parking lot in Seaman, OH, 1h+ from any civilization. The closest dealership and/or car rental was 1h+ away in Cincinnati where I had my car towed. No car rental places are open at 1am on a Sunday morning so I was stranded and had to have someone come get me.

I'm embarrassed how many times the big flat bed truck has had to come to my little neighborhood to haul my "luxury car" away to the dealer. I don't even tell my family or friends that its broken again because its always followed by, "Why the heck do you keep buying them?" I guess its because I truly love the cars and every time I get it fixed I forget how unreliable it is until it randomly goes into limp mode again on me.

I don't understand BMW's problem. I don't know why the cars are just so darn unreliable or what it is they can do about it. I will NEVER own a BMW out of warranty because that would seem insane to me. I will get a 435, but I won't say it doesn't give me pause. I sure hope they've done something special with that car to make it not repeatedly fail me.
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I'm embarrassed how many times the big flat bed truck has had to come to my little neighborhood to haul my "high end luxury car" away to the dealer. It will happen again in the morning. I don't even tell my family or friends that its broken again because its always followed with, "Why the heck do you keep getting them?"

Closer to "high priced entry level w/potential car"

Gotta agree - can be an expensive PITA. Can also go around a corner and 80 mph comes real quick.
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Closer to "high priced entry level w/potential car"

Gotta agree - can be an expensive PITA. Can also go around a corner and 80 mph comes real quick.
Tonight I went around a corner at 5mph because that's all the faster the car would go in limp mode.
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I don't even tell my family or friends that its broken again because its always followed with, "Why the heck do you keep getting them?"
Fair question. What's your answer? There has to be a good reason, especially since you said you would buy a new one again.....
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:35 PM
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my "high end luxury car" Kind of a big stretch there, but agree a broken car no matter what end of the scale its at is a big pain in the butt.
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my "high end luxury car" Kind of a big stretch there, but agree a broken car no matter what end of the scale its at is a big pain in the butt.
Well I guess it's all relative, but I changed it to just luxury car.

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Fair question. What's your answer? There has to be a good reason, especially since you said you would buy a new one again.....
I guess it's because I like the cars. Every time I get it fixed and it starts working again I forget about the not being able to trust it part until the next time it goes into limp mode again on me.

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More than 5 fuel pumps replacement I think you qualify under lemon law.
I'd wondered about that before, but I think it has to be 3 times within the first year or something like that so I don't qualify. Mine have been spread over 2 cars though. I had at least 2 with my first (like I said, lost track) and 1 or possibly 2 so far with this one. On the second they wouldn't admit that it was actually the fuel pump saying that the hoses to it were clogged. I asked if the fuel pump was bad and was told they couldn't tell for sure. This was after BMW fixed the FP problem. I don't know what its going to be this time, but every other time my car has gone flaccid its been the fuel pump.

And, of course my warranty expired a month ago.... As did my BMW Assist subscription. Good thing I also have AAA.
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I'm embarrassed how many times the big flat bed truck has had to come to my little neighborhood to haul my "high end luxury car" away to the dealer. It will happen again in the morning. I don't even tell my family or friends that its broken again because its always followed with, "Why the heck do you keep getting them?"
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Closer to "high priced entry level w/potential car"

Gotta agree - can be an expensive PITA.
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I hope a BMW isn't "luxury car". I'm not ready for white shoes, knee socks and Bermuda shorts yet.

How about "car"? BMW has staked its claim to the "sports sedan" territory (or sports coop, or in my case, "sports wagon").

A Honda Accord Coupe has 278 HP, a neat 6-speed manual transmission, and is about a bazillion times as reliable as a BMW. $29,773, with navi. It has leather seats, if that's important. Maybe you could get close to an even-steven trade?
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I hope a BMW isn't "luxury car". I'm not ready for white shoes, knee socks and Bermuda shorts yet.

How about "car"? BMW has staked its claim to the "sports sedan" territory (or sports coop, or in my case, "sports wagon").

A Honda Accord Coupe has 278 HP, a neat 6-speed manual transmission, and is about a bazillion times as reliable as a BMW. $29,773, with navi. It has leather seats, if that's important. Maybe you could get close to an even-steven trade?
No doubt, a Honda for half the price is 50 times more reliable. Didn't have a single problem with my 3 Civics. I think a car that's $55k falls into the luxury category. Albeit not white shoe 6 series country club car luxury. Call it a sports coupe if you prefer. Either way, the car that I paid over 3 times more than my other cars shouldn't be 20 times less reliable. My 15yo Grand Cherokee with 150k miles on it was more reliable. You can argue that there is more "stuff" on a more expensive car to go wrong, but I'd like to think that for the extra money I'm also getting better quality control. Apparently not.
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Really like my e90 335i. Wouldn't in a million years call it reliable though.
Too bad. That's a large black mark on the car and the brand. And will eventually show up in resale values.
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And I drove 30k+ with zero problems that would have prevented me from driving (SES light injectors were replaced and I was down a few cylinders for a few days) and now I'm 3k+ into my m3 and driving fine. Sounds like you have a dud or got a few duds it happens.
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I grenaded a Jeep Cherokee at 140,000 miles, that had been serviced umpteen times looking for a cooling system issue I knew was there that everyone (dealers, indy's) swore didn't exist, that had plagued the car since day one.

2 AC compressors ($1200 each time), extensive tranny work (felt like I owned a boat - BOut A Thousand) a few times, funky electrical gremlins throughout its life, squeaks and rattles from new, etc, etc, etc...

I think it doesn't really matter. Some cars are good, built on a good day at the factory, and some cars suck. Brands and likelihood of problems might be informed by statistical data, but really it comes down to luck of the draw.

For every "this car sucks!" anecdote, you can find a "I've never had a problem" response. There are people who swear by the Edsel, and the Pinto, still.

I always assume I'll have issues with our vehicles. The question is, do I love it enough to deal with it? If so, I do. If not... time to move on.
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[QUOTE=Snareman;7652553...would seem insane to me. I will get a 435, but I won't say it doesn't give me pause. I sure hope they've done something special with that car to make it not repeatedly fail me.[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of the ad nauseam repeated definition of insanity.
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Really like my e90 335i. Wouldn't in a million years call it reliable though.
Too bad. That's a large black mark on the car and the brand. And will eventually show up in resale values.
What problems have you had with it? As for the black mark, everyone seems to say "But aren't BMWs not that reliable?" The mark seems to already be there.
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Off it goes. Of couse when I went to drive it out to the truck it started no problem. I was half tempted to tell him just to leave it and I'd drive it, but I'd never trust it to drive it very far unless I had it looked at.
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As for the "high end luxury car" commentary, a lot is perspective. For instance, where I live I think most neighbors see any BMW and think along the lines of, "Oh, look, all fancy in his houghty toity little special car. How'd he get all that money?" In the parking garage I use downtown the thought process is probably something akin to, "Oh, another BMW. How droll. Maybe he'll be able to afford something special if he stops being such a smart-ass all the time."
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As for the "high end luxury car" commentary, a lot is perspective. For instance, where I live I think most neighbors see any BMW and think along the lines of, "Oh, look, all fancy in his houghty toity little special car. How'd he get all that money?" In the parking garage I use downtown the thought process is probably something akin to, "Oh, another BMW. How droll. Maybe he'll be able to afford something special if he stops being such a smart-ass all the time."
I agree, everything is relative.
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And I drove 30k+ with zero problems that would have prevented me from driving (SES light injectors were replaced and I was down a few cylinders for a few days) and now I'm 3k+ into my m3 and driving fine. Sounds like you have a dud or got a few duds it happens.
Yea, I would consider the dud thing except I had no major problems with my last 7 cars and have had both of my BMWs rendered undriveable at least 5 times that I can remember.
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Yea, I would consider the dud thing except I had no major problems with my last 7 cars and have had both of my BMWs rendered undriveable at least 5 times that I can remember.
Yeah I think around 3 of the same un drivable issues I'd dump it now granted most people don't have such a luxury, but I'd just look a little harder at the used ones on my next purchase or if I got multiple duds stop trusting my judgment to pick out a good used one and go new.
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I'm going to send a polite but frustrated email (along the lines of what I have in my first post in this thread) to several people at the dealer (CA, SA, sales manager, service manage, owner of the dealership and BMW customer service). I love the cars. I'm just frustrated with them. Anyone see a problem including norbert.reithofer@bmw.com?
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I'm going to send a polite but frustrated email (along the lines of what I have in my first post in this thread) to several people at the dealer (CA, SA, sales manager, service manage, owner of the dealership and BMW customer service). I love the cars. I'm just frustrated with them. Anyone see a problem including norbert.reithofer@bmw.com?
I wouldn't... I just know in my area for every one person who might leave frustrated they've got others lining up to buy 328i's at 60-72 mo. financing so they don't mind letting people with capital walk. Very little bargaining power in some area's so remember that if you get a who cares response.
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Tonight I went around a corner at 5mph because that's all the faster the car would go in limp mode.

Yet again. You must ask yourself: Why? What troubleshooting have you done?
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