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Old 06-20-2013, 08:57 AM
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Hi I drive a BMW x5 2002. I take very good care of my truck. Every time I take my vehicle to the dealer, I never leave out paying less than $2,500. As recently as April I had my car in for a total of $3200. Yesterday after 200 mile trip I noticed my service engine light was on. I retightened the gas cap. The light is still on. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I just don't have $2000 for the BMW dealer. Please help!!
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:35 AM
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The SES warning light is for OBD II warnings...which means something with the vehicle's engine electronic emissions. Since OBD II is a federal mandate for ALL car mfgs to comply...there are HUNDREDS of fault codes that could be the fault. Without the DTC (diagnostic trouble code), there is no way to even suggest what the issue may be.

But, Michigan allows auto parts stores (like Autozone) to rent out or use a simple OBD II reader/scanner so that you can find out which area of the system has set the fault code. Drive over to the nearest one & have your codes read (for free) then post back with your "P" code or do a google search by typing "BMW OBD II P _ _ _ _ ". (Obviously fill in the blanks with the actual cod numbers)

If you don't have a good grasp of what OBD II is all about, again the Internet is your friend ... OBD II is a much discussed & explained subject that can easily be researched.

Also know that just because a sensor registers a fault doesn't mean that it's the culprit. The problem cold be upstream or downstream from it...this is where deduction, reason, & diagnostics come in to play before throwing money at replacing parts without knowing what, where, how, etc.


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Old 06-20-2013, 04:11 PM
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Thank you!! So much, I really appreciate your answer. Tomorrow I will try to find an auto zone. I really wish I had found this forum a long time ago. I will post back tomorrow after I go to auto zone. When I had the car at the dealer in April, they said they checked everything, oh well.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:33 PM
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There's a good indy in Ann Arbor. And another in Farmington Hills, behind Erhard.

A good independent will slash those dealer repair costs by more than 1/2.
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:50 PM
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Hi 528JD. I live in lake Orion, can u give me the name of the shop in Farmington. I really need a reliable mechanic that is not going to rip me off. I'm really nervous having that service engine light on. Thanks for all the help.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:21 AM
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:35 AM
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...I'm really nervous having that service engine light on. Thanks for all the help.
Take a deep breath and don't worry too much. Since the SES/CEL/MIL (service engine soon/check engine light/malfunction indicator light) illuminates only for some type of electronic engine emissions problem...it's usually not something so catastrophic that it's going to leave you stranded by the side of the road.

This warning came about from the federal mandate to protect the environment from smog & air pollution...this was a standard that all car mfgs had to comply with. So for the most part, something is creating a situation where your X5 is putting out more pollution than it's supposed to (an Imbalance in its emissions). It could be something as simple as your fuel cap wasn't put on correctly...or more serious like an 02 sensor has gone bad...or worse, your catalytic converters are shot. But again, most of these faults will not shut down the engine...the worst that can happen could be rough idling or worse fuel economy.

Albeit...you should still get the codes read so that you know what's going on...but don't be too nervous, especially if you're not experiencing any odd symptoms. Not having any symptoms points more toward the fault being one of the more minor issues. But again, this is all speculation until the codes are read.

If you have an Advanced Auto, O'Reilly's, Pep Boys, etc that are closer than the Autozone...you can give them a try. Most vendors like this (in our area of the country) have OBD II scanners that they loan out or will read for free. Just call or stop in and ask if they read/scan OBD II codes because your SES (service engine soon) light has illuminated.

Remember to jot down the codes that were read...or ask for a print out. Hold off purchasing anything until you can do some more research on the codes you retrieve. You might even get lucky and have them clear the codes for you (but only after you've jotted them down). If the symptoms are still present, the light will come back on after a drive cycle or two...indicating that there is a persistent issue. Or it may have been just an oddity that occurred, and the issue resolved itself (the light & code won't reappear).
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:07 PM
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I love this forum!!!!!! I'm amazed how nice and helpful everyone is. Well today I went to autozone, Here are the codes from the print out. P1346, P0300,P0174, P0171. Again I appreciate all the help. Tomorrow I have an event to attend, do you think it's ok to drive the car. Is there anyway, to clear the light. I hate looking at it.( remember i'm a woman) Pls advise me what to do.

Thanks again!!!!!!
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:22 AM
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I love this forum!!!!!! I'm amazed how nice and helpful everyone is. Well today I went to autozone, Here are the codes from the print out. P1346, P0300,P0174, P0171. Again I appreciate all the help. Tomorrow I have an event to attend, do you think it's ok to drive the car. Is there anyway, to clear the light. I hate looking at it.( remember i'm a woman) Pls advise me what to do.

Thanks again!!!!!!
If you're not having any obvious driveability symptoms...you should be okay.

As previously mentioned...info about most OBD II codes are usually easy to find since the whole purpose of the OBD II federal mandate was to create a standard for all car manufacturers.

I just type the OBD II codes you listed into a google search box and found this info...note that there are symptoms, causes, & possible solutions listed for each of the 1st 3 codes...the 4th code seems to suggest a misfire on cylinder 3 upon start:
I also suggest purchasing your own simple OBD II scanner reader. You can pick them up from Amazon.com for somewhere between $20-$30. This will allow you to immediately check fault codes and clear them yourself. The initial cost is usually recovered in the first few times of using it since you don't have to pay for reading/resetting, and may be able to fix the issue or discover where the issue may be without having to pay for extra "diagnostics" if you do have to take the vehicle in for repair. I picked up my Autel Maxiscan MS300 for approx $25 a few years ago & I keep it in the glovebox.


Looking at the codes you listed, there seems to be a recurrent them of either a issue with the MAF, and ignition/misfire issues. And as previously mentioned, before throwing money at just replacing the MAF, or replacing spark plugs or other ignition system stuff...I have to ask if there's been anything different that has occurred recently that could cause misfiring issues? Any work done that could have caused vacuum leaks etc.?

And I do know that the Great Lakes region had a spike in fuel prices where we had the highest prices a few weeks ago. Did the cost of fuel over $4 a gallon cause you to fill-up with 87 AKI instead of 91/93 AKI? If so, using regular gas instead of premium could be the culprit of the misfires and lean conditions. Just a thought.
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:22 PM
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Hi 528JD. I live in lake Orion, can u give me the name of the shop in Farmington. I really need a reliable mechanic that is not going to rip me off. I'm really nervous having that service engine light on. Thanks for all the help.
These guys are good, a couple blocks from Erhard:

I would have had a contact for you, but he wasn't at Softball this week.

Ethan's Auto Repair
24495 Hathaway St
Farmington Hills, MI 48335
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:12 AM
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Well I'm new to this site My SES light came on for the first time ever the other day ...it was one of the O2 sensors It took less then a half hour to fix and I was on my way ...repair was made by an Indepenant import repair shop at a 1/3 of dealler quoted price of $550....I love my mechanic ...O its a 2002 X5is stock which alot folks think its a 2011 ...Not bosting, But if ya take care of your BMW it rewards you back ....Smoked a few American made sport cars ...with my little jet
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:36 AM
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Well I'm new to this site My SES light came on for the first time ever the other day ...it was one of the O2 sensors It took less then a half hour to fix and I was on my way ...repair was made by an Indepenant import repair shop at a 1/3 of dealler quoted price of $550....I love my mechanic ...O its a 2002 X5is stock which alot folks think its a 2011 ...Not bosting, But if ya take care of your BMW it rewards you back ....Smoked a few American made sport cars ...with my little jet
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:46 AM
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Hi

It's me again,i drove the car yesterday,on my way back home the car started to shake more while sitting still and it felt as if the car wanted to stall. I have to get it to the shop tomorrow,I really hate to have to go to the dealer. QSilver7 Gas was pretty expensive, but I only used premium. I don't drive much so I don't have to gas up a lot.

528JD I'll call the shop you suggested first thing in the morning. I'm not driving the car today I'm too afraid.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:27 AM
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These codes suggest a ripped/torn lower intake boot. Do you have the 6 or 8cyl X5? When this boot develops a leak, it allows unmetered air into the combustion mix (the engine gets too much air, resulting in a lean running condition).
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:17 AM
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Great work guys! Hopefully, OP will have this sorted out.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:42 PM
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Hi,

Just wanted to let everyone know that my car is at the shop that was suggested. So far he said the PVC valve is faulty. I will let everyone know the outcome.


Thanks again for the help and kindness
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:03 PM
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Sorry I had to vent, This has been the worst two weeks possible. On Monday, I had my car towed to Ethans to have it fixed, I rented a car, They kept my car until that friday. The pvc value, news hoses, and an oil change, for a total of $1000. On friday les than 20 minutes of driving, the service engine light came back on. I called Ethans they said bring it back it could be something else wrong(really) I go back, They tell me it's something called a Inarc Valve for a cost of $270.00 for the part, He said he didnt think to check this part at first. So I pay for the part no labor, rent another car for oneday. I pick up my car on Saturday, drive home. Get in the car the next day and my radio,won't turn on. I call them back they say bring it back on friday after the holiday. Well that brings us to today, I get in the car it wont start. What next!!! I called road side assistance, they game me a jump, but the car was shaking so bad, abs light was on then the car finally died. I feel so taken advantage of!!! I can't stop crying. Please help!!! I want my $1,300 dollars back. Not to mention the rental car fee. What should I do?????
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:35 PM
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I also have an '02 x5. I had similar symptoms, rough idle, I also had white smoke (you?). Sounds like a vacuum leak in the intake. My problem was crankcase ventilation leak. How many miles on your car?


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Old 07-04-2013, 01:52 PM
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I have a 158,000 miles it's an 2002, I haven't seen any white smoke. I haven't been able to really drive. Im wondering why it would not start this morning.

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Old 07-04-2013, 09:11 PM
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Amazing all these threads with 0,1 replies, but the one that says 'Woman' has one of the most action!
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:40 PM
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:08 PM
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Ask the shop what BMW codes are being displayed by the CEL (check engine light) and post them for us. You want the BMW extended code set, not the generic ODBII stuff. Never heard of an "Inarc valve", perhaps an ICV (idle control valve). Ask them (politely) for the part number of what they replaced.
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:24 PM
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Hi, I had the same problem. For me it was the fuel pump on its way out. Many shops will tell you that it's one if the last things to go out on you. However, if you happen to hit a large pot hole "NYC over here" or bump or anything that will shake the car hard while you're slightly low on gas will cause fuel pump failure.

Have them check it out and if that's the case install it yourself to save a lot of money because its right under the rear seats. Very easy install.


Hope this helps, good luck
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:17 PM
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Check out this thread in another forum. X wouldn't start and drove lousy. Had the P0171 and P0174 codes. The shop just need to test the fuel pressure at the fuel rail (10 minutes job) to determiner the fuel pressure.

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...essing-up.html
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I'm here to help .. Pm me , you can get your car fix by Erhard BMW for 1/3 of the dealer price ( mrbmwx5 special deal)
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