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Old 07-23-2013, 02:49 PM
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It's better than the E90 vs F30 that's usually spouted on this forum. Anyway, I must apologise the Radical has been beaten.

What by? I hear you say.

Well it's British, it's not a notch above a kit car, (lame), its a McLaren P1.


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It's better than the E90 vs F30 that's usually spouted on this forum. Anyway, I must apologise the Radical has been beaten.

What by? I hear you say.

Well it's British, it's not a notch above a kit car, (lame), its a McLaren P1.


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Since when did this turn into British VS American cars? At least our companies own themselves. In fact, Ford had Aston Martin for quite a while.
And Range Rover. I was looking at a new Land Rover last week and had the opportunity of talking cars with the owner of the dealership. He also had several vintage Jaguar XKEs on hand which I enjoyed. He told me that Ford saved Range Rover with the money and technology they poured into the company to modernize their manufacturing processes and improve all mechanical and electrical systems.

I guess the Americans are still good at making auto assembly lines work, and then some.
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You have been babbling on about non sense for awhile now. I don't have to have a point either

You started out by saying American cars cannot handle-a very dated concept. There are plenty of cars on that 'Ring list that suggest otherwise.

That's all.
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It is still built in the UK, seems that you are now backing my statement about Mr Andretti.


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Face it. You have no car heritage, aside from Mr Shelby, may he rest in peace, even Detroit has gone bust.


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Without Detroit(Ford Model T-the assembly line etc) your car heritage would be comical. Brush up a bit on your history.

Detroit going into bankruptcy is a long time coming, decades of mismanagement. GM came out of it leaner, stronger, smarter. Detroit will come out of it just fine as well.

I feel as though you are bored and want to say obnoxious things just to rouse a reaction-reminding me of a drunk buffoon at a bar. I thought the Americans were supposed to be the buffoons?
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:13 PM
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I got the impression that bratters was just trying to turn all the vitrol to something else more productive, like radical nationalism
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Just having a bit of fun with you guys. I didn't realise that you had no sense of humour. Just a bit of light relief from the usual stuff on this forum.

PS- I do think that the cars you have mentioned are now worthy contenders and clearly up there with the best. I still say that Andretti was an Italian F1 World Champion though.


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Just having a bit of fun with you guys. I didn't realise that you had no sense of humour. Just a bit of light relief from the usual stuff on this forum.

PS- I do think that the cars you have mentioned are now worthy contenders and clearly up there with the best. I still say that Andretti was an Italian F1 World Champion though.


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My "radical nationalism" statement was also ment as a joke, because I took almost everything you posted as a joke aimed at diverting the rhetoric this thread had stooped to. Hopefully you took it that way, if not, I am sorry. I still remember you posting on July 4th " Happy rebellion day!" which I thought was funny as hell, lol.
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Just having a bit of fun with you guys. I didn't realise that you had no sense of humour. Just a bit of light relief from the usual stuff on this forum.

PS- I do think that the cars you have mentioned are now worthy contenders and clearly up there with the best. I still say that Andretti was an Italian F1 World Champion though.


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Just having a bit of fun with you guys. I didn't realise that you had no sense of humour. Just a bit of light relief from the usual stuff on this forum.

PS- I do think that the cars you have mentioned are now worthy contenders and clearly up there with the best. I still say that Andretti was an Italian F1 World Champion though.


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I think that is where we disagree.

I believe BMW in history is known to make the most hard core sports luxury sedans. Please, show me another maker who did it better then BMW. It was very much BMW niche before companies like Toyota and Nissan as well as others tried to copy that magic.

So you are not accurate on niche car maker thing. The BMW started the trend on luxury sports sedans that satisfied the most hard core enthusiasts.

I asked you before point me to another maker who has built more hard core luxury sports sedans than BMW all the way up till past 5 decades. Your response was to point out WRX which was neither luxury nor in the same class.

However, I played along and pointed you to a modern day 1M which is as hardcore as any modern WRX. Your reply it is $10K more. My reply for obvious reasons as 1M is more refined yet as aggressive and probably more fun to drive due to its RWD setup.

I think at this point we are running around in circles as your argument keeps shifting.

I am not even so sure why we are having this discussion when you believe that F30 is more soft core and lack that extra bit that made E90 a better choice in driving dynamics.

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My point is that BMW does not make hard core sport sedans or at least hasn't in a long time. The 135M is not hard core, whatever that means and the M3 most certainly is a great all around car. It's not hard core.

But let's not talk about the extreme part of the line. The bread and butter 3 series has always been the more basic models, whether equipped with sport pack or not. None of these are hard core. They are family cars that are among the sportiest in their class. The F30 is not as engaging as past models but it is just as capable while being a better all around car. I may lament the extra body roll,the EPS and the loss of the I6 but for all but the most enthusiast drivers its a great car. Remember, it's a daily driver not a niche sports car.
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I am not so sure about the point you are trying to make?

I have had a E65 7 series, E60 5 series, E92 3 series in my garage. While the 7 series is very much more luxurious in its interior design. The plastic used in E92 interior are not cheap or hugely inferior in feel or finish.

I agree with you that F30 has gizmos and you can't confuse those with luxury all the time. The F30 uses inferior hard plastic in interior which takes away from the quality feel. The E60 and E9x both are better in this regards.


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plus WHO said a 3er is a luxury car in the first place?? to me a 5 series entry level lux, and the 7's are true luxury uber-sedans. to me, a f30 in particular, is a higly engineered sedan, but a luxury car it is not. my e60 is certainly comfortable, but a luxury sedan??? not too sure about that. my wifes f30 has alot of gizmos and gadgets that even my e60 doesnt have. i think people are getting confused about what luxury is. gadgets and connectivity do not equal luxury. again to me the only true luxury cars out there are merc S calss, bmw 7's, audi A8, and perhaps high end lexus's. just my 2cents.
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I think that is where we disagree.

I believe BMW in history is known to make the most hard core sports luxury sedans. Please, show me another maker who did it better then BMW. It was very much BMW niche before companies like Toyota and Nissan as well as others tried to copy that magic.

So you are not accurate on niche car maker thing. The BMW started the trend on luxury sports sedans that satisfied the most hard core enthusiasts.

I asked you before point me to another maker who has built more hard core luxury sports sedans than BMW all the way up till past 5 decades. Your response was to point out WRX which was neither luxury nor in the same class.
JHowever, I played along and pointed you to a modern day 1M which is as hardcore as any modern WRX. Your reply it is $10K more. My reply for obvious reasons as 1M is more refined yet as aggressive and probably more fun to drive due to its RWD setup.

I think at this point we are running around in circles as your argument keeps shifting.

I am not even so sure why we are having this discussion when you believe that F30 is more soft core and lack that extra bit that made E90 a better choice in driving dynamics.

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The BMW 1600 and 2002 (which were precursors to the 3 Series) were iconic cars but they were by no means the first sports sedans. Jaguar, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Saab and others were building sports sedans before the BMW 1600 was introduced.

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BMW has been the segment leader and the 3 Series has been the benchmark for years but they did not invent the concept of them sports sedan.

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I think that is where we disagree.

I believe BMW in history is known to make the most hard core sports luxury sedans. Please, show me another maker who did it better then BMW. It was very much BMW niche before companies like Toyota and Nissan as well as others tried to copy that magic.

So you are not accurate on niche car maker thing. The BMW started the trend on luxury sports sedans that satisfied the most hard core enthusiasts.

I asked you before point me to another maker who has built more hard core luxury sports sedans than BMW all the way up till past 5 decades. Your response was to point out WRX which was neither luxury nor in the same class.

However, I played along and pointed you to a modern day 1M which is as hardcore as any modern WRX. Your reply it is $10K more. My reply for obvious reasons as 1M is more refined yet as aggressive and probably more fun to drive due to its RWD setup.

I think at this point we are running around in circles as your argument keeps shifting.

I am not even so sure why we are having this discussion when you believe that F30 is more soft core and lack that extra bit that made E90 a better choice in driving dynamics.

Take care
You and I have different definitions of hard core. The reason I brought up the WRX is it's truly a hard core sport sedan. It's raw and a bit rough but a true sport sedan. A BMW on the other hand is a luxury sport sedan with civilized manners and a compliant ride even considering the RFT's.

And you have a talent for completely twisting what people say to make your point. That's not at all why I brought up the WRX. Look at post 102 in this thread for the correct context. And my original take was that the F30 is more refined than the E90. That's my entire point.
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