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Old 07-31-2013, 10:23 PM
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2013 335IS Engine Rattle?

Hi All, I've mostly been a spectator to posts on these forums. Lots of great info and helpful members! I purchased a new 2013 335IS in Feb and I can say without a doubt, it's a dream on wheels!! A few days ago I started the car and went for a spin around the block and when I got back I put it on idle and I heard an odd rattling coming out of the right front tire. (I managed to catch it on video, links below) Nothing is loose on the wheel/brakes and it seems to be coming more from the engine bay. I've looked for specific threads referencing this "rattle" but nothing conclusive. I'm itching to call and book a service appmnt but I turned on the car today and no noise, then I turned it on a few hours ago, rattle was there. It seems to come and go so it's got me concerned. It's got 8700 miles and I'm mostly a conservative driver with some rare "speedy" moments but nothing excessive to really wear on the car at all. Any help/guidance is appreciated!




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probably coming from the engine bay area
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:58 AM
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MT or AT? Sounds like the transmission 'chattering' in neutral. Not much to worry about I'd say...
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:26 AM
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MT or AT? Sounds like the transmission 'chattering' in neutral. Not much to worry about I'd say...
I agree, dual mass flywheel or the transmission. Every BMW I've had (MT) has a neutral rattle.

Now if it's DCT, I'm not sure if it's the same situation, mechanically when in neutral.
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MT or AT? Sounds like the transmission 'chattering' in neutral. Not much to worry about I'd say...

Sorry just got back on. It's the DCT option and quick update, my brother had to run a quick errand and took the car today in the morning and said the rattle was "clear and loud" from the driver's side, while he had it in drive (1st gear) stopped at a red light.
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Sorry just got back on. It's the DCT option and quick update, my brother had to run a quick errand and took the car today in the morning and said the rattle was "clear and loud" from the driver's side, while he had it in drive (1st gear) stopped at a red light.
Doesn't sound normal to me for a DCT.
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Doesn't sound normal to me for a DCT.
Exactly what I was afraid of. What's really worrying is that he was the driver in the videos posted above, but didn't hear anything and this time it could be heard clearly from the driver's seat. So it's safe to say it's progressively gotten worse. I'll be scheduling an appointment as soon as I get off of work. Thanks guys, just needed some confirmation before calling it in.
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I turned it on a few hours ago, rattle was there

What rattle?
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Sounds like fuel injector noise to me. I have not noticed this ticking type sound in my 335is but it was very noticeable in my Corvette ZO6. But, I only have about 6,500 miles on mine, so? Fuel injector ticking noise is usually considered normal, but it would not hurt to bring it into service just to have it checked out..
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What rattle?
Not like a typical rattle. I would say if it were a BMW MT, just tranny noise in neutral. This sounds almost like a secondary air pump at a low level. 18 seconds into the second vid and from the start of the first vid - more like a clunk clunk clunk clunk, definitely not a ticking sound.
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where in LA are you located? i've recently spotted a grey 335is e93 in westwood..
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:05 AM
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Update: Sorry everyone, my available time has really been rare due to school and work. I had the service appointment scheduled for later today, but sadly... the car felt like going in yesterday... as you can see in the photo attached. .. I was leaving work and I got in the car, it started as normal and as the RPM's rose for start-up, they suddenly shot up past 3k RPM, the engine made a whiny/whirring sound, RPM then suddenly started to drop and the engine started choking/rattling as if it couldn't maintain power, and at that moment the navigation screen flashed an Engine Malfunction message, and the engine stalled out. I've no idea if it's related to the rattling, as up to this point it had seemed to disappear. Going in later today to pick up the rental, oh unlucky times I suppose.


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Sounds like fuel injector noise to me. I have not noticed this ticking type sound in my 335is but it was very noticeable in my Corvette ZO6. But, I only have about 6,500 miles on mine, so? Fuel injector ticking noise is usually considered normal, but it would not hurt to bring it into service just to have it checked out..
Yeah it could be, guess I'll wait for the bad news when they call..


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where in LA are you located? i've recently spotted a grey 335is e93 in westwood..
I'm actually located in the San Fernando Valley and sorry for not giving specifics. Mine is a Mineral White Coupe.
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Update: Sorry everyone, my available time has really been rare due to school and work. I had the service appointment scheduled for later today, but sadly... the car felt like going in yesterday... as you can see in the photo attached. .. I was leaving work and I got in the car, it started as normal and as the RPM's rose for start-up, they suddenly shot up past 3k RPM, the engine made a whiny/whirring sound, RPM then suddenly started to drop and the engine started choking/rattling as if it couldn't maintain power, and at that moment the navigation screen flashed an Engine Malfunction message, and the engine stalled out. I've no idea if it's related to the rattling, as up to this point it had seemed to disappear. Going in later today to pick up the rental, oh unlucky times I suppose.

That might be abnormal....or not! To scotch the way-too-frequent "That's normal" diagnosis, insist on seeing the code readout. Guessing it'll be GT1, and if you wish [recommended!!!] you can ghost the dealer with a BT -- many [I] do.
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"That's normal" is a diagnosis sometimes given when a tech can't figure out an issue.
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BTW: Good things happing with the BT cable. The BimmerBoost Freeware flash project is close to releasing the freeware BT cable ECU flash package. Plan is to migrate to the less expensive cables once the software proves to be solid on the BT cable. End of the day you will be able to do an ECU flash for $20 that currently costs $800+. Personally looking forward to the JB4 back end flash that Terry developed & using the freeware package to install it.
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BTW: Good things happing with the BT cable. The BimmerBoost Freeware flash project is close to releasing the freeware BT cable ECU flash package. Plan is to migrate to the less expensive cables once the software proves to be solid on the BT cable. End of the day you will be able to do an ECU flash for $20 that currently costs $800+. Personally looking forward to the JB4 back end flash that Terry developed & using the freeware package to install it.
Whoa! I have an extremely itchy finger lately to finally get the BT tool, in fact I've been hunting for a new laptop to make this happen (my current one has a processor that is just shy of what's needed). Man I hate shopping for laptops, I swear nothing is harder to shop for.

Is this the thread I should be following? Off the top of your head (I haven't read any of it), how far off is this looking, more or less? Thanks for the info.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=267630
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FINAL UPDATE: Hi all, final update on the car. Been really busy but I got the call to pick up the car on tuesday. The final verdict?.... HPFP failure caused the car to stall out and die, so that was replaced. The rattle?.... collapsed hydraulic lifter in Cylinder 3 as well as a leaking seal that were all replaced under warrantly. The car is back to running in top shape, but I can't help but feel a little disconcerted at the fact that a 2013 model with only 9k miles could experience an HPFP failure (after all these years!) and a lifter issue with so little "hard" running done in that time. But still happy to have my baby back!
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FINAL UPDATE: Hi all, final update on the car. Been really busy but I got the call to pick up the car on tuesday. The final verdict?.... HPFP failure caused the car to stall out and die, so that was replaced. The rattle?.... collapsed hydraulic lifter in Cylinder 3 as well as a leaking seal that were all replaced under warrantly. The car is back to running in top shape, but I can't help but feel a little disconcerted at the fact that a 2013 model with only 9k miles could experience an HPFP failure (after all these years!) and a lifter issue with so little "hard" running done in that time. But still happy to have my baby back!
This can actually alleviate the issue ... short trips or not getting the engine to temp, may not allow the oil to circulate properly. One of the techniques used to remove the air in the lifter is for techs to rev the engine to 3000 rpm for several minutes. The one time this happened to me, I drove to work on the highway in 4th (20 minutes), the issue never returned in nearly 24k miles before the lease ended. As for the seal ... what seal? Which one? I am also surprised by the HPFP, did they give you a new part number as a replacement?
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This can actually alleviate the issue ... short trips or not getting the engine to temp, may not allow the oil to circulate properly. One of the techniques used to remove the air in the lifter is for techs to rev the engine to 3000 rpm for several minutes. The one time this happened to me, I drove to work on the highway in 4th (20 minutes), the issue never returned in nearly 24k miles before the lease ended. As for the seal ... what seal? Which one? I am also surprised by the HPFP, did they give you a new part number as a replacement?

Oh interesting.. I'll keep that in mind if I hear that rattle again. Thanks for the tip! Which seal I can't remember right off the top of my head. The techs wrote somewhat long paragraphs on the work order forms detailing what they did and from what I could decipher (I'm not so car savvy, still learning slowly ) they changed/replaced a few extra (smaller) things. I left the forms at home but I'll post pictures of the details once I get off work and hopefully you guys can help in explaining what exactly was done/replaced.
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Okay so I've attached the two work orders from the dealer for review. Sorry they came out sideways!
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One of the techniques used to remove the air in the lifter is for techs to rev the engine to 3000 rpm for several minutes.
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Okay so I've attached the two work orders from the dealer for review. Sorry they came out sideways!
Interesting they only replaced one lifter.
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