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E46 (1999 - 2006)
The fourth generation 3 Series (E46 chassis) was introduced in 1999 and set the standard for engineering and performance during it's years of production including being named to Car & Driver's 10 best list every one of those years! ! -- View the E46 Wiki

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:07 AM
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So, do we have Black Boxes?

BMW is advanced technically, so does anyone know if there is a data recorder installed in our e46's in any way shape or form?

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:55 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised, if many cars nowadays record some details for avoiding warranty blames. That way dealer have hard evidence about what truly happened bit before big bang. But I didn't hear much talks about such devices.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:04 AM
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if im not mistaken over the years (meaning more recently) they have gotten much more advanced and they record a lot more about what is going on with the car at any given point. ours, on the other hand is not that advanced since the newest it can possibly be is 2006, but it still records a reasonable amount of data.

so long story short, yes, i believe we do have some sort of black box
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:32 AM
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Nope, not like newest models. Heck, the dealer can barely read the key info reliably. I know on M cars the ECU logs over-revs, but to my knowledge, non-M's don't even do that.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:36 AM
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Heck, the dealer can barely read the key info reliably..
Sure, that's another story if person can actually dig information out, but I wonder if some computer whiz working for BMW could find lots of information even in our cars which isn't officially there, and in newer cars for sure.

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Old 07-26-2013, 08:52 AM
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Can not vouch for the accuracy, and I believe that this is a list of standardized recorder info. I suspect that BMW has their own proprietary info that only they can access on their cars from about 1995 on.

http://www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/E...a_Recorder.pdf
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:17 AM
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Can not vouch for the accuracy, and I believe that this is a list of standardized recorder info. I suspect that BMW has their own proprietary info that only they can access on their cars from about 1995 on.

http://www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/E...a_Recorder.pdf
The only car that we own that has the standardized recorder info is .... the Corolla (that, fortunately, I rarely drive) and I don't think that car could go fast even downhill with a tailwind!

I know that Porsches log info very definitely including over-revs, but it seems it requires their own software to access. ( Porsche!)
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Yes, the black boxes are present....matter of fact, NHTSA uses them to diagnose post-crash results, and has found that in 48 out of 50 states, immediately before the fatal crash, the most often heard phrase is "OH SH!T !", while in Texas and Alabama, it`s "Hold my beer, I`m gonna TRY somethin` !"
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Yes, the black boxes are present....matter of fact, NHTSA uses them to diagnose post-crash results, and has found that in 48 out of 50 states, immediately before the fatal crash, the most often heard phrase is "OH SH!T !", while in Texas and Alabama, it`s "Hold my beer, I`m gonna TRY somethin` !"
That's why if a person were to be the cause of something bad, that person should consider having the car towed to their property, and not the body shop, to prevent "unauthorized" access to the data in "their" car, until the black box can be properly "examined" by the owner. With the "correct" tool. I believe it is called the BFH scanner.
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I don't think so. I have never ran into any type of module that records data. On the newer e90s and e60s, there are so called "black boxes".
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Sorry to disappoint you fellas, but if your car is ODBII or newer, they ahve been recording certain actions for years. They are stopped by such things as airbag deployment.

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Yes, the black boxes are present....matter of fact, NHTSA uses them to diagnose post-crash results, and has found that in 48 out of 50 states, immediately before the fatal crash, the most often heard phrase is "OH SH!T !", while in Texas and Alabama, it`s "Hold my beer, I`m gonna TRY somethin` !"
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Airbag module will store crash data.
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Nope, not like newest models. Heck, the dealer can barely read the key info reliably. I know on M cars the ECU logs over-revs, but to my knowledge, non-M's don't even do that.
Scary. One day, mark my words, if the libs keep things heading the way they are, we will get speeding tickets in the mail when our GPS logs our speed over the speed limit.

I often think it would be funny to get one of those progressive "snapshot" devices and drive like a nut (normal driving for me) and send it to them and ask for a quote. I bet they would decline. Even though I have a perfect driving record.
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Scary. One day, mark my words, if the libs keep things heading the way they are, we will get speeding tickets in the mail when our GPS logs our speed over the speed limit.

I often think it would be funny to get one of those progressive "snapshot" devices and drive like a nut (normal driving for me) and send it to them and ask for a quote. I bet they would decline. Even though I have a perfect driving record.
Insurance companies share information on a regular basis. NEVER get one of those devices!!! no matter how much they promise to save you. The companies fail to realize ( or they probably do) that you having to brake hard can be caused by others, not necessarily you alone.
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kinda like AT&T no texting pledge. They will now be able to turn off any type of texting, emails, etc while driving.

What if I am a passenger?
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kinda like AT&T no texting pledge. They will now be able to turn off any type of texting, emails, etc while driving.

What if I am a passenger?
I am almost certain that this is done via the GPS. If you turn off the GPS on your phone while you are a passenger, your phone should operate normally while moving.
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I retired from being a technician in 1997 and I can tell you that even the lowly Chevrolet recorded crash data back then. Things recorded during an incident are throttle opening, rpm, speed, lateral accelleration (collected from the airbag system) and a host of other data. Now, if the insurance companies have access to the data is another story ...
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