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X1 E84 (2011 - current)
The new to the US BMW X1 will arrive at BMW dealers in the fall of 2012 as a 2013 model year. Get your X1 28i with either sDrive (RWD) or xDrive (AWD) or get the US exclusive I6 N55 powered X1 35i dDrive.

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Old 08-26-2013, 09:22 PM
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If you are not used to driving older BMWs with hydraulic steering, the sDrive should fulfill your needs (still test drive).
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:58 PM
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+ 1 - The X1 sDrive is a great car for around town and freeway/highway driving. You absolutely need to test drive one to make sure it's to your liking. The xDrive's biggest advantage is in the snow (lots of it!) as long as you also install proper tires. If you live in a place where all you see is either rain or dry conditions (as in the SF Bay area), the sDrive's RWD/electric steering will not disappoint at all as far as performance is concerned. All X1's come equipped with DSC/DTC which makes them perform safely in wet and slippery conditions. It would be a blast to drive it down on Hwy 1 down to Big Sur in the summer/early fall. Let's not forget that RWD has always been BMW's forté. I think the electric steering works and handles nicely, but this is my first BMW (YMMV.) BMW's decision to phase out hydraulic steering (although not a popular decision with its fans) seems to be the right one for various reasons, as the article on post #1 suggests.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:59 PM
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X1's Electric Steering Vs Hydraulic Steering

Thanks for the great conversion.
I'm thinking about trading in my 2011 x3 for a x1 x drive.
My 2005 x3 had all the hydrolic steering which I long for in my new one. The electronic steering just doesn't feet line a BMW to me. To top it of the dealer have me a 2014 loaner with x drive and the steering feels fantastic. Like my old car.
btw I don't think it has servotronic on it because its stiff at all speed.
Ill update if I switch.
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:30 PM
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^^^
+ 1 - The X1 sDrive is a great car for around town and freeway/highway driving. You absolutely need to test drive one to make sure it's to your liking. The xDrive's biggest advantage is in the snow (lots of it!) as long as you also install proper tires. If you live in a place where all you see is either rain or dry conditions (as in the SF Bay area), the sDrive's RWD/electric steering will not disappoint at all as far as performance is concerned. All X1's come equipped with DSC/DTC which makes them perform safely in wet and slippery conditions. It would be a blast to drive it down on Hwy 1 down to Big Sur in the summer/early fall. Let's not forget that RWD has always been BMW's forté. I think the electric steering works and handles nicely, but this is my first BMW (YMMV.) BMW's decision to phase out hydraulic steering (although not a popular decision with its fans) seems to be the right one for various reasons, as the article on post #1 suggests.
You understand the X1 really good, but on which mountain in Mexico do you go to get "lot's of snow"?

I just got my ED X1 s28i yesterday, but I picked up in Munich on May 29th, just as they were having massive rains and flooding for 2 weeks.

With 8 x18 and 9 x18 wheels with summer performance Pirelli P7's, my X1 had phenomenal wet traction, just the kind of tires I like.

At 28 or 29# per tire as run flats, next time I'd like Continental DW to get 20# approx. tires which will even improve braking.
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:50 PM
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..... next time I'd like Continental DW to get 20# approx. tires which will even improve braking.

Chris,
Thanks for the explanation of the Servotronic on HPS and EPS steering. I have decided to get the x28i for ED next year.

0w40X1: See my new avatar pix - shows the 18" DWS...

I love the Continental Extreme Contact DWS on my 335d and drives like a dream since they are NON run flats. I intentionally got the wheels in square (all 18x8") so that tire rotations make the tires last a long time (almost 3 years and 50% of the tread is still left).

These Conti DWS are perfect for snow, wet, and dry roads!

They are 18" but when I get my X1 in Munich next year, I will have ready at home a set of BMW 18" wheels that are from the 335d which I will use for dry pavement and put on winter tires on the 17" X1 wheels.

Luckily I kept the original 18" staggered wheels & tires from the 2011 335d that will be returned to the dealer when the lease is up.

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Old 08-28-2013, 03:59 PM
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^You're welcome!

Yeah, I guess we both like Continentals, and DWS would be the ones to get for cold or snow.

Getting back on subject, the electric power steering does feel vague, and if you want to keep the rear of car from swaying, one needs to put around 40 psi in all tires.

BMW recommends 35 to 38 psi in front, and around 42 for high speed driving, but same psi in all tires makes it more planted.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:37 PM
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You understand the X1 really good, but on which mountain in Mexico do you go to get "lot's of snow"?
Come again? I totally agree that you don't need the xDrive unless you live in a very snowy part of the world. The sDrive (the model you and I both drive) will do very well in wet/slippery conditions, like those you experienced in Germany, Jim Q experiences in the Bay Area, or I do down here in Mexico during the rainy season. The Pirelli P7 are excellent summer tires (I have them, too!) If you lived in a snowy/icy part of the world, however, I don't think they would be the most appropriate tires to have. But hey what do I know? I live in Mexico!

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Old 08-29-2013, 12:36 AM
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^You were talking about lots of snow, so I just thought you drove in it. Summer tires lose grip under 40 deg f, and luckily I don't need to drive in the winter, since I fly to SE ASIA every Dec -Feb. For snowy I'd run Continental DWS or dedicated snows.
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Old 12-02-2014, 04:59 PM
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My 2014 X1 has the same issue. SA cannot figure out what the issue is. Any luck diagnosing your issue?

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So what does Servotronic do? (I think of MST3K every time I see that word). In a hydraulic X1, it makes steering a little easier at lower speeds? In an electronic X1, it makes it heavier at freeway speeds? I don't quite get how it works to the advantage of both systems.

When I was initially researching the X1 in summer/fall 2012, a frequent comment was on the heaviness of the steering at lower speeds. So when I test drove the sDrive, I thought, "What the heck are they talking about? It's not heavy at all." Only later did I become aware those commentators were in the xDrive, which had the hydraulic.

I've mentioned this before, and no one has chimed in with a "me too" - but from time to time, when I start my car up, I'll get a brief flashing notice "steering assistance malfunction." I think it happens when I have swung into a favorite office parking space at an angle. The flash disappears almost immediately and doesn't reappear during the drive. I'll ask about it when I finally go in for service. Have a feeling the SA will shrug and say, "Nothing serious. Ignore it." Which I do. But I didn't know I had "steering assistance. " In the sDrive it's hard to imagine needing assistance.
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Old 12-03-2014, 09:30 AM
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My 2014 X1 has the same issue. SA cannot figure out what the issue is. Any luck diagnosing your issue?
This is the "steering assistance malfunction" alert? I never did follow up on that. And for quite a long time I haven't seen that alert, but a couple weeks ago it did pop up and I almost felt nostalgic. It seems like a computer "hiccup" to me. Nothing feels wrong at all with the steering - well, except for the fact that I would prefer tauter steering that the sDrive comes with.
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:01 AM
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This is the "steering assistance malfunction" alert? I never did follow up on that. And for quite a long time I haven't seen that alert, but a couple weeks ago it did pop up and I almost felt nostalgic. It seems like a computer "hiccup" to me. Nothing feels wrong at all with the steering - well, except for the fact that I would prefer tauter steering that the sDrive comes with.
Yes, that's right. We took it in a while ago and they couldn't figure it out but they did find a cracked and bent lower control arm so I got to pay to replace that. The light is back again and they have it at the dealership and now won't release the vehicle until they figure out the issue. What a waste it's been.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:33 AM
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[QUOTE=mike814;8746902]Yes, that's right. We took it in a while ago and they couldn't figure it out but they did find a cracked and bent lower control arm so I got to pay to replace that.

It wasn't covered by warranty? I had the message again this morning. I had gone the "wrong way" in an empty parking lot aisle and swung into a space, like a u turn. It's things like that which seem to trigger the message, when I return to the car and start it. Again, it disappears after a second or two and steering seems fine. But I may have steering checked on my next service visit.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:16 PM
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The lower control arm wasn't as they said it was an impact issue. I argued and got them down over 60% based on the original quote. That was Braman BMW in Miami and I would never take a care there again as they are very disrespectful and difficult to work with.

They couldn't find anything wrong with the light and have now returned the car.
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:52 PM
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I checked my window sticker and Servotronic not listed on my 2013 X1 28i. Driving 100 miles per day steering is a bit heavy. Can this still be installed?
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:03 PM
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I have the hard steering issue in my 2014 20d Xdrive. I just brought it recently do far only about 4009 km. I took it to Trivett Classics, Australia (seller) they road tested and said Hydraulics a but harder than electric. I am still struggling with that and kind of having Shoulder Pain , it is really hard at low speed .

Any one found a solution or converted to electric -at what costs ?

Would appreciate any information (khansafiq@hotmail.com)
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