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E60 / E61 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-13-2013, 04:04 AM
schpenxel schpenxel is offline
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My 545i did the same thing I took it to ZF transmissions in Johannesburg and they did a service exchange and now it is like new - this was a very expensive exercise but well worth the money. You will find that your solonoids are blocked and they do not sell individual solenoids so you have to replace the whole gearbox
This is absolutely incorrect. Either they didn't know what they were talking about or they were lying. I have posted not only where to get the solenoids (they ship straight from zf by the way) but also I made a video and put it on YouTube showing exactly how to change them out (from when I changed my own..)

So, your options should have been:

-Solenoid kit with all solenoids included i.e. replace all solenoids
-Individual solenoids i.e. replace the solenoid that was the issue if it was only one
-Rebuilt mechatronics unit (with presumably new solenoids) as well (even BMW offers this option, albeit their prices are quite high)

All of these options would have been much much cheaper, but at least you know you won't be having anymore problems any time soon

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Old 09-13-2013, 09:38 AM
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4f89???

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Awesome! Another check in the successes column!

Screw you BMW and your lack of willingness to change what is actually wrong and taking the easy way out.
Wish I could say the same.

I ordered replacement solenoids, adapter seal, sleeve seal, and pan/filter with new fluid and new bolts. Followed all of the steps for trans fluid refill including the reset of Adaptor settings before and after via INPA. Took the car out for a drive and everything was fine. No leaks or error messages. 5 hours later after driving around, I hopped on the interstate to head home and the car jerked and then went into safe-mode. Car would not change gears. Seems like it was stuck in 3rd gear. Managed to make it home by use of side streets at 40mph.

Got home and pulled the error codes 4F85 and 4F89. So, I checked the filter for leaks and noticed fluid sweat on one of the pan/filter bolts and fluid stains underneath the undercarriage of the car that smelled like trans fluid. Warmed the car up to check the gearbox temp via INPA. When the gearbox reached 40c degrees and opened the fill plug, no trans fluid came out. I checked the sleeve seal for leaks, but found none. I drained out a little over 6liters of trans fluid and loosened the pan-filter bolts and re-torqued them. Per the re-fill instructions, I added fluid back into trans. Checked for leaks and found none. Took car for test drive and as soon as I got it up to 40mph, Transmission Malfunction safe-mode. Pulled the codes and this time only the error code 4F89 remained.

Thinking that maybe it was the new solenoids, I drained the trans fluid and removed the mechatronic and sleeve seal and put the old solenoids back in. Reset trans adaptor settings before/after and completed refill instructions. Took the car out for a drive and the damned thing went into safe-mode AGAIN! Same code pulled. Here are the Error messages below pulled from INPA.

Error Memory:
4F89 Ratio control 3-4
P17E8 Ratio monitoring Shift 3-4

2 Error codes in Info Memory:

4F86 Ratio-monitoring Symptom Circuit-monitoring
Torque converter clutch open (Type of shift 2 after 1, shift 1 after 1,4F shift 3 after 4)

4F80 Ratio-monitoring Symptom gear-monitoring
Torque converter clutch open (Type of shift 2 after 2, shift 1 after 1, shift of R to R)

I am at a stand-still and ready to get a rebuilt tranny at this point.

Any idea what the problem might be?
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:05 AM
schpenxel schpenxel is offline
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Really hate to hear that outcome. Sounds like something slipping to me but I'm not sure what else to do. 3 to 4 was where mine had trouble prior to the new solenoids, but it has been fine ever since. I wonder if the clutch pack(s) or band(s) involved in that shift are just plain worn out?

edit: the codes in memory sound more like an issue with the torque converter than the transmission though

edit2: Everything I can find on the ratio monitoring code still says it's valve body / mechatronics related

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Old 09-13-2013, 03:00 PM
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Re: 05 545i Transmission Surging Issues help!

Quick questions...do I need to reset the adaptations after changing fluids?

I ordered the INPA cable almost 2 weeks ago from One Stop. Does this seem excessive? Tracking says still in Hong Kong.

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Old 09-13-2013, 03:16 PM
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Yes you need to
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Old 09-13-2013, 03:34 PM
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Re: 05 545i Transmission Surging Issues help!

Damn.. ok. Can't do anything until the cable shows up.

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Old 09-13-2013, 05:48 PM
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Mine took right at two weeks--it'll go fast once it hits the US
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:20 PM
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Re: 05 545i Transmission Surging Issues help!

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Mine took right at two weeks--it'll go fast once it hits the US
Still waiting... got fluid and pam but still dead in water til cable shows up


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Old 09-20-2013, 12:05 PM
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surging at 35-40

Have a shop clear your transmission adaptation and reset teach in. See if this clears the surging. If it doesn't, more than likely you have a mechatronic problem or a torque converter clutch failing.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:01 AM
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To reset the adaptations can I just do the turn key to 2 position and hold gas pedal or will that not work for this?
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:14 AM
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No you have to reset adaptations via INPA or some other ODB diagnostic tool.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:22 AM
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To reset the adaptations can I just do the turn key to 2 position and hold gas pedal or will that not work for this?
Personally I think the "pedal on the floor for 30 seconds" thing is complete BS.. I've seen people say it does everything from reset the throttle adaptations, valvetronics calibration, transmission adaptations.. and probably a few others.

I can only say that it absolutely did not work for me. I had a violent jerk in 5th gear after the first time I changed my fluid (original fluid at 180K miles..). I tried the 30 second thing and no change. A few weeks later got my INPA cable, reset adaptations, and instantly the jerk was gone (I started getting some other errors, but that's besides the point)
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:41 PM
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No you will need to use a tool that uses factory level (Autologic or ISIS) software. Along with clearing adaptation your technician will need to perform a fresh TEACH-IN also.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:43 PM
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You don't need Autologic and you don't need ISIS. INPA does it just fine.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:58 PM
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Well hey! sounds like SCHPENXEL has a solution with a cheap tool for you.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:01 PM
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He has one that works if that's what you mean
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:35 PM
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Can I drive my car down to the dealership to have the tranny adaptations reset after I do the solenoid change or will that effect the repair. Do i have to reset right afterwards?
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:38 PM
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Also I have a 525i 2004 do u know if the solenoid swap is similar to your 545
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:11 PM
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should be fine
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:33 AM
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I replaced my solenoid also and reset adapation with INPA two days later and all worked out fine; no need for any expensive software or tool.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:35 PM
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With the inpa cable do I need software downloaded on my laptop to be able to work it or do options just pop up on the screen when hooked to the car?
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:38 PM
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Need to download/install INPA, comes with BMW tools.

http://bmwcoders.com/forum/bmw-gt1-o...-software-328/ should get you started
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:37 PM
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Saw this video on another forum--shows basically how these transmissions go together and some info on how they work

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Old 10-24-2013, 03:27 PM
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Just finished changing solenoids, fluid and filter in my 05 545 and took a test drive. I had forgotten how fast it is. I've been babying it for so long. It's late, and there's not much traffic out so I got to thrash on it a little after thoroughly testing it, of course. Shifts are firm and smooth. No more hard downshifts when coming to a stop. Also shifts into reverse and drive with very little delay. The shift into reverse has always been the one thing I hate about this car, and it is much better. So far, no hiccups at 40.

The whole job wasn't to bad, except getting the electrical unplugged, changing the sleeve, and hooking back up the plug. I destroyed the old sleeve getting it out. I ended up having to loosen all the rear cross member bolts and tranny mounts, then, with a big screwdriver, pryed the transmission over to get enough room to get the new one through the gap so I could install it. It also wasn't to pleasant bathing in ATF. That lifeguard stuff stinks something terrible.

If you get the sleeve all the way in, when you lock it, it will not come back out. The plug will pull itself into place when you turn the lock nut, and you should feel it click slightly when it locks. It doesn't go together to hard, just difficult to get your hands in to get everything together.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:46 AM
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Good to hear this is working. I hope it works on my 525i. I just finished downloading the BMW tools and my inpa cable is on its way. You have me scared me on how hard that sleeve was to replace. unfortunately im shy on the $650 fix and have to wait till income tax time so it will be a few months. Ofcourse someone could always goodwill me the money or parts (lol). One last question when I buy the new parts do I need to buy a new oil pan gasket for the tranny pan or would I be able to reuse it?
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