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Old 09-23-2013, 05:41 PM
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:48 PM
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For xDrive, you want to test drive a model with DHP. 5 Series will be bigger and more of a boat.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:03 PM
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?
There are too many suspension options (standard, sport, m-sport, x-drive, DHP). I've not seen anything that gets down to absolute details of every one of these options (e.g. are the stabilizer bars different between sport and m-sport, etc.). Then there are the steering options (standard, VSS), and finally wheel size (17" square, 18" square, 18" mixed, 19"...) and tire type (summer/all season). All of these have their differences.

Many folks here have commented they are reasonably happy with either the sport/m-sport (not xdrive) or DHP. There are others who do not even find those acceptable.

You will just have to spend a lot of time at the dealer test driving cars and seeing if you will like something. At least try a RWD m-sport, and another with DHP. 335s are hard to find and 335 in a specific configuration even more so. I had enough trouble finding a 328 with DHP.
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The problem is that test drive F30's are often loaded up xDrive automatics. Underwhelming by a lot. I just trusted that a manual sport package F30 would be up to the level of my E36 and E46, and I was delighted with my May 2013 surprise!
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
xDrive: Softest Suspension 10 MM higher from standard
RWD - Base, Luxury, Modern: Standard Suspension
RWD - Sport M-Sport: Stiffer Suspension 10 MM lower from standard
DHP - Softest & Stiffest suspension on demand, better steering feel

Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ? Only in RWD

Would the 5 series be any better ? Do not know, it has Electronic steering

4 series is suppose to be better...
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?
No. The 5 series is going to be worse.
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There are too many suspension options (standard, sport, m-sport, x-drive, DHP). I've not seen anything that gets down to absolute details of every one of these options (e.g. are the stabilizer bars different between sport and m-sport, etc.). Then there are the steering options (standard, VSS), and finally wheel size (17" square, 18" square, 18" mixed, 19"...) and tire type (summer/all season). All of these have their differences.

Many folks here have commented they are reasonably happy with either the sport/m-sport (not xdrive) or DHP. There are others who do not even find those acceptable.

You will just have to spend a lot of time at the dealer test driving cars and seeing if you will like something. At least try a RWD m-sport, and another with DHP. 335s are hard to find and 335 in a specific configuration even more so. I had enough trouble finding a 328 with DHP.
We can clarify one thing - the M Sport suspension that is standard on Sport line and M Sport line RWD models is identical on both.
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The optional M-Sport suspension is what you want if you want the BMW hunkered down, clings on to every corner type feel.
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Re: 335i disapointing test drive

Adaptive M-suspension (comes with Dynamic Handling Package) is what you need for your xdrive.

You can configure the chassis for sporty or relaxed comfort drives. The adaptive dampeners that come with DHP ensure optimum road holding in all driving modes.
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335i Xdrive sport to test.
Folks! The OP is not looking for an xDrive. He drove that because it's all that was available. He's looking for rwd.
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Folks! The OP is not looking for an xDrive. He drove that because it's all that was available. He's looking for rwd.
Are you all saying that the RWD sport or msport (NO X drive ) will handle better as to steering and suspension feel ?
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:14 AM
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Are you all saying that the RWD sport or msport (NO X drive ) will handle better as to steering and suspension feel ?
It depend on your expectations. If you expect the same tightness in steering and suspension as a sport E90 you may be disappointed. The Sport Line RWD F30 is nicely controlled but all have the electric power steering which is lacking in feel even in sport mode which increases the effort. I urge you to seek one out for a test drive. If you can't find one at a dealer, perhaps a local member of this forum would let you test their car.
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Are you all saying that the RWD sport or msport (NO X drive ) will handle better as to steering and suspension feel ?
For suspension feel, definitely. The RWD Sport models are lower and tighter. For steering, not sure. I've driven two F30 328i models, a RWD Sport Line and an X-drive with M-Sport, and thought the steering felt similar, but I didn't try them back-to-back and they were both 2012 models, so I hesitate to draw any conclusions about it.
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Are you all saying that the RWD sport or msport (NO X drive ) will handle better as to steering and suspension feel ?
Fact is, Xdrive without DHP is the softest setup and has the increased ride height.

Your best F30 experience will come from:

RWD 704 Sports or M Sport
RWD any line with DHP
RWD with optional MPerformance suspension, but this will be impossible to find at a dealer

If Xdrive is a must, then so is DHP.
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?

I've been trying to test drive a car with DHP just to see the difference. Very hard to come by. I'm mostly happy with how our 335X drives without the DHP particularly after driving a 535i X that also didn't have DHP. *That* was a boat, ours, not so much.

ok, delete this whole thing because as was said earlier, he doesn't really want X drive. (But the 535iX without DHP still felt boat`ish).

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..... xDrive: Softest Suspension 10 MM higher from standard .....

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Fact is, Xdrive without DHP is the softest setup and has the increased ride height .....
Do you have a reference for stating the xDrive is 10mm higher than standard? I understand that xDrive is not lowered 10mm like a RWD with sport suspension, but I do not recall seeing any information from BMW that an F30 xDrive's ride height is any different from standard / RWD without sport suspension. IIRC the ride height of an E90 xDrive was higher than standard, but that is a different car.

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Do you have a reference for stating the xDrive is 10mm higher than standard? I understand that xDrive is not lowered 10mm like a RWD with sport suspension, but I do not recall seeing any information from BMW that an F30 xDrive's ride height is any different from standard / RWD without sport suspension. IIRC the ride height of an E90 xDrive was higher than standard, but that is a different car.

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Xdrive Sport/MSport is 10mm higher than RWD Sport/MSport. Source is BMW. Basically you are paying for lines which include the sport suspension but it gets deleted for Xdrive without a credit/reduction in the cost of the two lines. Kind of getting screwed there.
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?
I can't say how bad or good the 335 x-drive is because never test drove one. But from what many owners have been saying in here that didn't get the adaptive suspension, its a dog compared to previous 3-series BMWs when it comes to handling and road feel.

If you don't care about AWD then do yourself a favor and just look at my build. That is exactly what you should get. Maybe throw premium if you want the leather seats (I opted our because i like to take my dog).

Every other options you put on it will be for looks or in the case of the HUD for the wow factor. As for the M-sport suspension, I notice people have been praising it to high heaven but honestly I find myself asking how many of those people have it since its not something that is well advertised or from what I understand installed at the factory.

And why would you need it (unless you track the car), because the DHP does a great job in all other instances.
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I can't say how bad or good the 335 x-drive is because never test drove one. But from what many owners have been saying in here that didn't get the adaptive suspension, its a dog compared to previous 3-series BMWs when it comes to handling and road feel.

If you don't care about AWD then do yourself a favor and just look at my build. That is exactly what you should get. Maybe throw premium if you want the leather seats (I opted our because i like to take my dog).

Every other options you put on it will be for looks or in the case of the HUD for the wow factor. As for the M-sport suspension, I notice people have been praising it to high heaven but honestly I find myself asking how many of those people have it since its not something that is well advertised or from what I understand installed at the factory.

And why would you need it (unless you track the car), because the DHP does a great job in all other instances.
Careful not to cause confusion, the MPerformance suspension is what I think you mean. The Msport suspension is the standard 704 setup on RWD Sport/MSport. The MPerformance is the dealer/port installed option that is the stiffest mechanical offering.
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As a BMW fan I want to buy a 335i sport to replace my E46 .The dealership only had a 335iXdrive sport to test.
Like many other others I found the steering vague and mushey. The suspension was also bouncy and lacked good recovery performance.
I very much want to stay with BMW. Questions:
Would the non Xdrive have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the M-sport have better steering and suspension feel ?
Would the 5 series be any better ?
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Are you all saying that the RWD sport or msport (NO X drive ) will handle better as to steering and suspension feel ?
You never stated which E46 you are currently driving. Suspension and steering 'feel' is subjective and of course, subject to different interpretations based on what you are used to. What one person says is better may be worse for someone else.

Based on my experience my F30 feels smoother, softer and more refined than my E46 but performance is markedly improved. Which is better?
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I have a 2013 335 RWD Sport w/DHP and 6MT.

The car performs very well in all conditions. The 6MT is my favorite feature.

The steering could be tighter, but other than that, a very nice driving machine.

As a comparison, the wife drives an E92 328 M-Sport with 6 speed auto. The steering is noticeably tighter on the E92 and the M Sport wheel is better than the F30 sport wheel.

However, I will always drive the F30 when I have the choice between the two cars.
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Careful not to cause confusion, the MPerformance suspension is what I think you mean. The Msport suspension is the standard 704 setup on RWD Sport/MSport. The MPerformance is the dealer/port installed option that is the stiffest mechanical offering.
Thank you I stand corrected. And like you said this is not factory installed but dealer/port installed.
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Drive an F30 and F10 back to back - betcha your takeaway will focus on the sense of weight of each. The F30 is endowed with a lissome quality while a pervasive sense of heaviness defines the F10 experience. At times I feel that my 328xi Sport-line embodies the spirit of my retired but memorable E39 525.
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Do you have a reference for stating the xDrive is 10mm higher than standard? I understand that xDrive is not lowered 10mm like a RWD with sport suspension, but I do not recall seeing any information from BMW that an F30 xDrive's ride height is any different from standard / RWD without sport suspension. IIRC the ride height of an E90 xDrive was higher than standard, but that is a different car.

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Go to the BMW website, 3-series specifications page:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

Height of vehicle is 56.3" with footnote #4: xDrive models: 56.5 inches , 0.2" or about 10 mm.
Did not find the Sport or M-sport lowering specs but it is referred to as a 704 Sport Suspension.
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The F30 is endowed with a lissome quality...
Excellent application of the adjective lissome! This is precisely the characteristic exuded by the F30 320i I drove for the first time last month as part of European Delivery.

The car is equipped with RWD, staggered width summer UHP tires (Bridgestone Potenza S001) and the 704 Sport Suspension.
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