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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 09-22-2013, 08:53 PM
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I would not dismiss any car because is is FWD until I drove it. RWD is not necessarily inherently better than FED. There are some excellent handling FWD cars available (Mini, Mazda 3 for example).

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CA, that may be true, but the driving dynamics of RWD are substantially more satisfying. I drove a '96 Infiniti G20 (frequently called a Japanese 3 Series) for more than ten years before I got my '00 328i. I loved my G20 and enjoyed it immensely, but I don't plan to ever go back to a non-RWD car.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:09 PM
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They will also come in AWD configuration. AMGs are all AWD.
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I'm pretty sure there are several AMGs without AWD.

Wouldn't the CLA be in the same class with the Buick Verano?
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are several AMGs without AWD.

Wouldn't the CLA be in the same class with the Buick Verano?
I meant the CLA AMGs are only available in AWD configuration, no FWD. Regular CLAs will come in FWD (initially) to be followed later by AWD configuration as well.
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The MB CLA is what the F30 320i was aimed at, as a competitor, along with the Audi A3--a huge entry-level market outside the U.S. The CLA was not expected to compete with the F30 328i. Driving enthusiasts, like me, will be put off that the CLA is only available with AT, not a manual six, a big fun deficit. And once you add AMG to the equation, you're talking M car pricing.
Price is expected to be around 50k for the CLA45. Given a loaded F30 can just about hit 60k, I expect an M3 to be in the 65-70k range.

They're not really competitors due to size though. If and when BMW releases a 1M or M2, I'd expect that to be the natural competitor.
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The MB CLA is what the F30 320i was aimed at, as a competitor, along with the Audi A3--a huge entry-level market outside the U.S. The CLA was not expected to compete with the F30 328i. Driving enthusiasts, like me, will be put off that the CLA is only available with AT, not a manual six, a big fun deficit. And once you add AMG to the equation, you're talking M car pricing.
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Price is expected to be around 50k for the CLA45. Given a loaded F30 can just about hit 60k, I expect an M3 to be in the 65-70k range.

They're not really competitors due to size though. If and when BMW releases a 1M or M2, I'd expect that to be the natural competitor.
BMW has a 2 Series Gran Coupe in the works. That's the car the CLA will compete with.
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They will also come in AWD configuration. AMGs are all AWD.

Also, in all versions, the automatic is actually a DSG/DCT type transmission, not a regular automatic. Big difference, IMO, even though it doesn't have a 3rd pedal.
I have found that with the latest "regular automatics" the difference is not that big anymore. The best of the new ATs, including the ZF 8 speed that BMW, Jaguar and others use and the best of the ATs that Mercedes and AMG use are almost indistinguishable from DCTs and in some ways superior.

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The MB CLA is what the F30 320i was aimed at, as a competitor
Currently, MB's competitor to 320i is the C250. Both cars are FR layout, approximately the same price when comparably equipped, and deliver similar levels of performance.

As tturedraider indicated, 2-Series Gran Coupe will be BMW's answer to the CLA-Class. The sedan variant of Audi's MQB platform A3 will also compete in this segment once it is introduced in the U.S., as do the Acura ILX and Buick Verano (as greywolf328i mentioned).
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You gotta admit, MB got this right in all areas, except probably, the power department. But at 38mpg highway, you can probably forgive that 208HP powertrain and think "I don't really need all that HP anyway"
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You gotta admit, MB got this right in all areas, except probably, the power department. But at 38mpg highway, you can probably forgive that 208HP powertrain and think "I don't really need all that HP anyway"
Yes, MB did get it right.
With most options now standard - this one will blow away the C250.
Even the salesperson said the C250 is receiving a major upgrade in order to stay sellable.
The CLA does beat out the C250 because of the past optional items included as standard at a much lower price point.

The FWD does not feel like FWD - it has a neutral balance and feels like RWD during torque steering around curves.

The rear seats have more legroom than my E90.

Yeah, the sloping rear hatchback type rear doesn't appeal to everyone but to me who has been looking at the 328xi GT for a spring ED makes me want to look seriously at the CLA.

For a loaded CLA that is under $40K, it will be hard to keep people away.

A semi loaded 328xi GT is at $50K, so I will be hard pressed to stay with BMW when my BMW lease is ending... I'd rather pay $350 disposition fee to BMW and go to MBZ.

I just love the perfect commute car that has excellent MPG and good enough power (320i type).

It will definitely be a tough decision come spring time!

It would be interesting to see the lease number - residuals, money factor....

My salesperson said European delivery is easy and she is taking orders now since my custom order is nowhere to be found....

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It's still a Benz however, not a bimmer. And the CLA is a coupe, not the sedan some of us prefer. Sport package is pricey. No manual transmission on offer. Small dark rear seats. Poor initial reviews.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:35 PM
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Sports package is $2200. And if you're looking for a sedan, and couldn't care less for a coupe, this wouldn't appeal to you anyway even if it wipes the floor with the 3 or 4 series coupes (big IF). But I agree, it's not a bimmer Still, at its price point, there's a niche market for this and will sway over a couple or three bimmer fans
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The one other problem with the CLA 250 is that it is pug-ugly, and worse than the Lexus three-series pretender.
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Here is the PDF from my dealer - it shows the CLA, upcoming CLA AWD & CLA AMG.

Note about 2/3 of the way down, a Limited Edition 1 CLA that is not dealer orderable.

The limited Edition 1 is a fully loaded CLA plus extras that only come on the Edition 1 CLA...

At $40K MSRP, that's going be a car sold above MSRP.
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to the OP. I have not driven the car but take it from someone that had the 350 with the AMG package. it doesn't compare to the the F30, no way no how.
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I did a quick built and total amount is $44K with most options….
You beat me to it. I built a CLA250 the way i'd order one (pretty much everything except the panorama roof) and it was around $45k. That does happen to be less than the 328i I intend on ordering, but as others have pointed out, it's really the next size below an F30.

When M-B debuted the CLA45 AMG at the NY Auto show I gave it a solid look…. And I'll admit the AMG engine is impressive. My biggest issue is the transverse-mounted engine hanging forward of the front axle. Then there is that rear end that looks like somebody kept it in the dryer too long…. It's too small/out of proportion IMO.

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The rear seats have more legroom than my E90.
Legroom is't the CLA's problem; it's the lack of headroom. If you are over 5'8" you need to slouch down to keep your head off the ceiling.

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Test drove it today

I went and test drove the CLA today...

Pros: looks great (IMO); good seats; large sunroof; handled fairly well in corners...

Cons: fwd, cramped in both front and rear seats, turbo lag, UGLY console screen, harsh suspension..

I was happy to be driving my f30 after getting out of the CLA...
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It's FWD. lol

No enthusiast would seriously consider it.
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It's FWD. lol

No enthusiast would seriously consider it.
Right, just like no enthusiast would pick my 2012 GTI with Recaro seats, adaptive xenons, etc. for $26k over a bloated, numb steering 3 series...
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The local MB dealer said half of allocation is pre-sold, it would be interesting to see how many are actually closed deals.
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I like the car, but im not going back words in a sense. This is a 1 series the AMG would have me thinking twice, but if what people say about the leg room I would not bother. I am 6 even and that is not the big problem. Its that i have 2 kids that are in car seats/booster seats. If you cant fit a grown man back there children in car seats wont be able to. While my 335 is not our main family vehicle im still a father and sometimes required to put them in that vehicle and would like everyone to sit comfortably. Now with that the M3/M4 will have my interest come summer of 2015
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