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Old 10-06-2013, 12:21 AM
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Need some advice about possibly selling my 335xi

Hi all, this is long!!

So far this year I've spent $1500 on service (window regulator and power steering). Two weeks ago I found out I need new control arm bushings, and also a front strut mount is tearing. Yesterday another window regulator went out. That puts me at $2500 service for the year if nothing else goes wrong.

Speaking of 'going wrong', I've had three evaporator cores in four years, so I'm afraid to keep the car past next June when the dealership-provided warranty on that part expires. By next June I'll also need about $1k in maintenance (brakes + flush, battery, oil changes).

The question became - do I fix the car and sell it next June, or do I put that extra $2k towards something newer now, with a warranty? Or sell and maintain it and keep it another full year or year and a half? I went looking today in case I wanted to trade-in now and was hoping for an A4 2.0T, but none with a 6MT are in AZ or CA. What is available in a manual is a Ford Fusion SE. It looks very sharp, is comfortable, and the cabin tech is top notch (except not having keyless start). My wife likes this car, but it's almost literally half the engine of my BMW (1.6T instead of 3.0 twin-turbo). It's fine for a daily driver but would be about $7k out of pocket (after you take the trade, plus $2k I mentioned above). She drives a G35-S 6MT.

Because if it's going to keep being $250/mo in service for the BMW, I'm going to freak out.

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Old 10-06-2013, 12:24 AM
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Get rid of it... Put mine on gumtree (crag list equivalence here). Mine only 41000km costing me 2500 in last 3 months....

I m not replacing it with another bm car...

That money spent in service i can lease a jap car that lasts for years
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:03 AM
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get rid of it ASAP. The longer you have it the more you'll have to spend on it and the more it'll depreciate in value. I'm in the process of getting rid of mine also
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:36 AM
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:19 PM
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Gig103, are you having a BMW dealer do all your work? The prices you're citing seem very high, and everything you've named as service/repair can be done by indepdent shops, usually at much lower cost.

If you sell it, you'll come out $2000-$4000 ahead if you sell the existing car yourself rather than trading.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:01 PM
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So far this year I've spen....if it's going to keep being $250/mo in service for the BMW, I'm going to freak out.

Yo Gig! Do you love your ride? Got a garage?

DIY will pare down repair expense about 80%. You can - easily! - R&R your suspension parts, I've done it myself.

No need t'stress, and DEFINITELY don't go to the dealer! Use a well regarded Indy if you don't have the time but if ready, now's a great time to get to know your ride....hey fix that puppy & zip on up t'Flag!


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I'm using a well regarded BMW-specific indy shop that is about $80-$90/hr, plus OEM parts. The breakdown from my earlier post is as follows:
Window regulators $300 each
Power steering pump $1080
Front bushings (pair) $386
strut mounts (pair) $474
Brakes $500-$600/axle


I do love the car when it isn't in the shop, but since owning it I have been in for service 104 days on average, and maintenance 140 days on average, for a combined of 54 days between a visit to a shop. This does include things like tire rotations, I keep a meticulous list, but it doesn't show signs of stopping. I took a serious look at the Ford Fusion knowing that it's a smaller engine, but I couldn't really get behind the crappy brakes, numb electronic steering, or lack of power except at the highest revs.

I was quoted $16k for a sale to Carmax, which usually falls between trade-in and private party sale. They said that quote is unaffected by fixing the window regulator and might not have spotted the bushings. In other words, I can sell it for $16k now or after putting $700 into it. Seems like a no brainer except for a lack of something good to jump into.

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Old 10-06-2013, 10:16 PM
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I'm using a well regarded BMW-specific indy shop that is about $80-$90/hr, plus OEM parts. The breakdown from my earlier post is as follows:
Window regulators $300 each
Power steering pump $1080
Front bushings (pair) $386
strut mounts (pair) $474
Brakes $500-$600/axle

Am I nuts, or will those prices give your mechanic a very Merry Christmas, indeed?
  • Window Regulator ~$100
  • Power Steering Pump ~$450
  • Front bushings - which ones? Usually the control arm with bushings preinstalled's R&R'd, a quick job. Alignment needed after!
  • Strut mount ~$246

You've had extraordinarily poor luck - power steering pumps don't usually go bad until many, many miles gone by. What's your mileage?

Mine, for instance, other than HPFP issue BMW warrantied, has had two Salman Relays go bad on the top - $7.50 each - replaced under warranty.

I did, however, have a SA at a dealer just North of San Francisco go ape when I mentioned that I can read proprietary BMW codes. No kiddin' - he shrieked; went belligerent. What an a-hole dealer that was!


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Old 10-06-2013, 10:23 PM
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And....there is always Lexus. Most reliable ride I ever owned. Don't want another.
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And those brakes - what's $550 per axle buy exactly?
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:35 PM
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How do you know

What the dealer is telling is really wrong with your car
I hade my daughter take her car to the mechanic and tolled her their were morw things wrong with it and nothing wrong with it. You are making the dealers richer not rich they already are that. That goes with just about any dealer.
Too bad you don't leave in Sacramento, CA area i would help you out.
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OP - have you actually driven the Fusion?
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:20 AM
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How many miles a year are you putting on the car, how many miles does it have now?
How are the roads where you live.

Been lurking here for a bit and I notice some guys here daily drive putting 15-20k miles a year on really crappy roads and in my opinion have too high of expectations on how car like this should behave after 3-4 years of that kind of abuse.
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Am I nuts, or will those prices give your mechanic a very Merry Christmas, indeed?
  • Window Regulator ~$100
  • Power Steering Pump ~$450
  • Front bushings - which ones? Usually the control arm with bushings preinstalled's R&R'd, a quick job. Alignment needed after!
  • Strut mount ~$246

You've had extraordinarily poor luck - power steering pumps don't usually go bad until many, many miles gone by. What's your mileage?

Mine, for instance, other than HPFP issue BMW warrantied, has had two Salman Relays go bad on the top - $7.50 each - replaced under warranty.

I did, however, have a SA at a dealer just North of San Francisco go ape when I mentioned that I can read proprietary BMW codes. No kiddin' - he shrieked; went belligerent. What an a-hole dealer that was!


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is that the unit from Berger motor sports that your referenced in another thread, can it read the proprietary codes
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:46 AM
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Need some advice about possibly selling my 335xi

I'm in AZ and use a highly regarded Indy when I can't or don't want to do something. I received the same quotes for brakes and control arm bushings. I did my rear brakes rotors, pads, sensor with BMW parts for $348. Would have been $250 with Zimmerman rotors and Textar pads. The quote for control ark bushing is for new bushings to be pressed into old arms. You can buy brand new BMW arms for $99 each which also renews the ball joint on the other end. Add $99 for alignment and you can be done with brakes and control arms and alignment for the coat of the in-shop brake job alone.


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Old 10-09-2013, 09:53 PM
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Hi all, I'm back with some answers...

77700 miles on the odometer, but far from lucky.

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And those brakes - what's $550 per axle buy exactly?
OEM pads, rotors, plus labor, and I like the way the BMW brakes so I go for the OEM.

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How many miles a year are you putting on the car, how many miles does it have now?
How are the roads where you live.
I travel between 12000 and 15000 a year, pretty standard. Roads in AZ are mostly pristine and straight-lined near me. I haven't had any issues with potholes, road debris, etc that would explain this suspension damage. I really do think I have bad luck with this car, not only the power steering but also three A/C evaporators and a compressor (all warranty). Plus wastegates, and the typical injectors and fuel pumps.

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I'm in AZ and use a highly regarded Indy when I can't or don't want to do something. I received the same quotes for brakes and control arm bushings. I did my rear brakes rotors, pads, sensor with BMW parts for $348. Would have been $250 with Zimmerman rotors and Textar pads. The quote for control ark bushing is for new bushings to be pressed into old arms. You can buy brand new BMW arms for $99 each which also renews the ball joint on the other end. Add $99 for alignment and you can be done with brakes and control arms and alignment for the coat of the in-shop brake job alone.
Sounds great, except I don't have the setup or knowledge to do this sort of work.

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OP - have you actually driven the Fusion?
Yeah, it's way less powerful and the brakes and steering are numb. However, it's a new car with a warranty, good looks, nice tech package, and my wife likes it too. I still have my wife's G35-S in the garage for the weekend drives as opposed to the morning commute. We've already discussed that in two years I can get into an S4, so it's either fix the BMW for that time or get into the Ford which she can take over.

I admit I was resigned to it more than excited, but I am having a very hard time stomaching these repair bills. With 3 major repairs a year every year since owning the car, I don't see the trend stopping either. My wife has seen blue smoke when I start it up, it idles rough when cold for a minute or two, and I'm ignoring other issues ("small leak" in head gasket, seeping oil filter housing). Despite having 5k on the tires and 10k on the front brakes, I just am not sure I should keep going with it.

The deal fell through today anyway, so I'm back to looking at fixing the window regulator and bushings for now, and holding off on the strut mount tear - what does that mean and if it tears all the way through what is the effect? Stranded? Major damage?

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Old 10-10-2013, 04:36 AM
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The deal fell through today anyway, so I'm back to looking at fixing the window regulator and bushings for now, and holding off on the strut mount tear - what does that mean and if it tears all the way through what is the effect? Stranded? Major damage?
I'd fix it. All that stuff represents sunk costs -- if it's found on a dealer's inspection or a private party's PPI, it will be subtracted from the price. I had a rear shock mount tear completely (not on the E91) and when it let loose it was hammering the rear compartment floor. Interesting noise and visuals.

As an aside, my latest problem has been diagnosed as a failed stereo amp ($$$$, but I bought the "Platinum" extended warranty). Dealer they couldn't fix it because BMW's parts shipping from Germany seems to be backed up several weeks. They'll call me when the part shows up.

Like many, I'm continuously annoyed by BMW's lack of reliability, but I'm not sure what I could or would replace it with.

Honda is offering a 36 month "Featured Special Lease" at $259/month on a Fit EV 1 Speed Automatic (electric) -- which is probably as far away from an E91 6-speed in the spectrum of available 5-door cars as it's possible to get.

Instead of selling the car when the warranty expires, I might just move $259/month into a repair account for the BMW. The car might cost $9324 in unscheduled repairs over 3 years, but that could help me avoid at least some of the annoyance.
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:10 PM
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Well my BMW is out of my hands. Instead of the Ford Fusion though, I ended up with a Fiat Abarth. Big change, but it's a surprisingly fun little car with a nice exhaust note. Something different for the next few years and something with a factory warranty!

Good luck on all your E9Xs, fellas.
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Well my BMW is out of my hands. Instead of the Ford Fusion though, I ended up with a Fiat Abarth. Big change, but it's a surprisingly fun little car with a nice exhaust note. Something different for the next few years and something with a factory warranty!

Good luck on all your E9Xs, fellas.
I hope you have good luck with it. I have a buddy that lived most of his life in Italy. He always says "Italians don't by a Fiat so why would Americans." According to him they are not very reliable at all. Glad you have that warranty!!
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Wow, you had some bad luck. I wish BMW's were more reliable. I won't own one out of warranty. Good luck with the Fiat. Maj 42 isn't kidding about the sterio amp. That is the reason I went with the platinum warranty rather than gold. N4S
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Someone sells a bmw for a fiat....

Fist is the most unreliable car in this planet (fiat and alfa romeo are shockers)
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I hope you have good luck with it. I have a buddy that lived most of his life in Italy. He always says "Italians don't by a Fiat so why would Americans." According to him they are not very reliable at all. Glad you have that warranty!!
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Someone sells a bmw for a fiat....

Fist is the most unreliable car in this planet (fiat and alfa romeo are shockers)
Yeah, I know the reputation, but when I drove the car it was a lot of fun, and it does have the factory warranty, and it was almost a straight trade. I have to say I have a big grin on my face to and from work
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Does your FIAT dealer provide free service loaners?

Or at least a cappuccino machine and internet access in the waiting area?
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