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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 10-15-2013, 08:48 AM
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You likely have a cracked head or blown HG.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:07 AM
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Leakdown tests explained

This is supposed to be a full suite of threads to help others with blown engines:
- Summary advice to provide users who suspect a major engine repair due to overheating (1) (2) (3) (4) & how to test an engine for a blown head gasket, cracked heads, a warped block, stripped head bolt threads, cam seizures, contaminated bearings, coolant hydrolock, or piston, ring, or valve damage (1) (2) & what are the major factors in deciding whether to rebuild the engine, replace the engine, or sell the car (1) & a DIY for replacing the I6 M54 head gasket (1) (2) & replacing the V8 M62TU head gasket (1) & why these engines are so prone to heat-related damage in the first place (1) & welding the crack between cylinder #3 and the water jacket on the exhaust side (1) & what engine swaps are most recommended (1) (2) (3) & where to obtain a new or rebuilt head (1) replacement short block or long block (1) (2) & how to lift & remove the engine (1) & the most recent real-world results from the last 50 people faced with similar blown engine problems from which this advice came from (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11) (12) (13) (14) (15) (16) (17) (18) (19) (20) (21) (22) (23) (24) (25) (26) (27) (28) (29) (30) (31) (32) (33) (34) (35) (36) (37) (38) (39) (40) (41) (42) (43) (44) (45) (46) (47) (48) (49) (50)
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Thanks Blue, @ C90 I rebuild my last e39 due to crack head and blown HG, and this is not the same.


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Old 10-15-2013, 09:51 PM
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I will be more then happy to order powerfoam and reship to CA. You just pay actual shipping. Stupid CA laws.
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I will be more then happy to order powerfoam and reship to CA. You just pay actual shipping. Stupid CA laws.
I know, thanks for the offer, I am going to try pb blaster, if it doesn't work I will let you know.


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Old 10-15-2013, 11:37 PM
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A can of fix a crap isn't going to fix the problem. If your saying (which you did) that all the ring have oil on them this is probably caused by reversion. Your main issue is likely only involved in CYL 3. 525isport is right. Your going to have to take the engine apart. Changing your oil weight isn't going to help. Here's a long shot senecio...maybe you have bad valve seals which has been the cause of the random smoke. A totally different issue just started when your heard a knock then Tap tap tap. Sounds like you might have dropped part of a valve seat or something punched a hole in the piston. That would explain the noise, misfire now (no compression) and the oil. Maybe you can borrow a camera from someone and send it down there. Adam


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Old 10-15-2013, 11:45 PM
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A can of fix a crap isn't going to fix the problem. If your saying (which you did) that all the ring have oil on them this is probably caused by reversion. Your main issue is likely only involved in CYL 3. 525isport is right. Your going to have to take the engine apart. Changing your oil weight isn't going to help. Here's a long shot senecio...maybe you have bad valve seals which has been the cause of the random smoke. A totally different issue just started when your heard a knock then Tap tap tap. Sounds like you might have dropped part of a valve seat or something punched a hole in the piston. That would explain the noise, misfire now (no compression) and the oil. Maybe you can borrow a camera from someone and send it down there. Adam


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You could be right, but I am not hoping for the Worst right now. My wife is not happy with second BMW with engine problem again. So if it is that bad, this could be my last one. Bad seal at 136k, if that is the issue what a shame.


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Old 10-16-2013, 07:28 AM
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Ok update,
I did the PB blaster ring treatment, didn't help much. But,it did clean out my piston. I think my problem is on the top, and not the bottom. I won't be able to rebuild anytime soon, so I will just keep running it tell it goes down. On other note, some of my engine noise was due to really ****ed up motor mounts. Both were broken in to two, just sitting there.
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Lol, I am not. I am a heavy duty mechanic, so rebuilding is not my biggest problem. But with one kid and the second one on the way, and this being the only car, rebuilding is not an option right now. I just need some time to get a family car and I can come back to this later.


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And the fact that you don't want your wife to pull the plug on BMW's! LOL


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And the fact that you don't want your wife to pull the plug on BMW's! LOL


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Just for giggles--pull the DISA valve and inspect it. HAve you ever had it off the car before?
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Old 10-20-2013, 12:58 PM
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Just for giggles--pull the DISA valve and inspect it. HAve you ever had it off the car before?
No I haven't, don't I need a new o ring if I pull it out? Should I, I have never gotten a running lean code before. Will a bad DISA valve causes miss fires?


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Well there is a part on the DISA valve that can break off and damage the internals on our engines--just noodling and thought that if the valve is shot--might be the reason you such low compression in cylinder 3
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Well there is a part on the DISA valve that can break off and damage the internals on our engines--just noodling and thought that if the valve is shot--might be the reason you such low compression in cylinder 3
I will give it a try, after I get my hands on some o rings.


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Can't be rings because oil would not leak in past rings right? Pressure is other direction. Rather it would leak from head.

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Can't be rings because oil would not leak in past rings right? Pressure is other direction. Rather it would leak from head.
Thanks for your input.
I guess I will be checking the DISA valve tonite. Just got to work and we have this many o rings, one of them have to work.
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I am happy to report, that my DISA valve did not miss up my engine. Is in great shape for the miles.
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That valve looks great. The little pin at the top is what falls out on occasion and can make a mess when it does. Yours looks OK..now back to finding out what is causeing the problem in #3 well.
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Ok so I did a leak down test today, and indeed #3 is bad, the first time it was leaking from the intake and the second time from exhaust. Is this normal, and I don't understand how is it, the rest of the valves are good except for one?


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What do you mean "the first time and second time"
During the leak down you'll bring that piston to TDC on its compression stroke then add air pressure. Also we're dealing with oil in cylinder AND loss of compression. How about a blown head gasket?
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What do you mean "the first time and second time"
During the leak down you'll bring that piston to TDC on its compression stroke then add air pressure. Also we're dealing with oil in cylinder AND loss of compression. How about a blown head gasket?
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I tested it at TDC, then tested another, then test it again. The HG is good, no bubbles in coolant.


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