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Old 09-12-2013, 03:37 PM
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BMW F01 Passenger Door Panel Removal

Hello fellow F01 owners...

I have been dealing with a rattle in my front passenger door for a while now. Car is under warranty and thus far they have removed the door panel, found a quarter in there (probably from a kid AKA previous owner) and also when the rattle came back I brought in the car and was able to get the whole speaker replaced in the door. Rattle is back and to be honest it just sounds like a metal clip vibrating in there during certain frequencies of low end and or when listening to Radio with a lot of vocals...AKA Talk Radio, CNN, etc.

Is there a tutorial that anyone has seen here or anywhere else that covers door panel removal for an F01 BMW?

I want to go in there with my own eyes and isolate the issue...I am positive I can resolve this since I will actually take the right amount of time to get this fixed and not end up with the car in the show for 2 days in hopes they TRY and fix the issue...

Any info / /links appreciated!

I apologize if a tutorial has already been posted here and I simply missed it!

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Old 09-12-2013, 04:31 PM
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BMW F01 Passenger Door Panel Removal

In my experience the doors of all BMW vehicles begin to rattle over time. We have a 2006 Three and a 2011 Five. Both make the same rattle noise in the doors. We also had a 2010 X5, which made a variety of rattle noises over time. Do not get me wrong, I am a big fan of the BMW product and am eagerly waiting for delivery of my new 2014 Seven. Nevertheless, the fact remains that these cars develop rattles. You might be trying to fix something that is not fixable.


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From what I hear, the outgoing X5 is notorious for rattles.

I can't pinpoint all of the noises in my 7 but it seems like the B-columns are the source of most of it. I've tried using that aerospace 303 stuff on the seals and haven't noticed any improvement. Cabin is good at keeping road noise out, but definitely has more sounds originating internally than any other car I've owned - including my E65 which was fairly silent inside. Seems like the cheap plastic around the b-columns and lower door just get creaky as they age. Makes me want to take out my rear shelf and use it like a bat to beat the guy at BMW who thought he'd save the company a few dollars by using this junk. Even my Ford Explorer had higher quality plastics.

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From what I hear, the outgoing X5 is notorious for rattles.

I can't pinpoint all of the noises in my 7 but it seems like the B-columns are the source of most of it. I've tried using that aerospace 303 stuff on the seals and haven't noticed any improvement. Cabin is good at keeping road noise out, but definitely has more sounds originating internally than any other car I've owned - including my E65 which was fairly silent inside. Seems like the cheap plastic around the b-columns and lower door just get creaky as they age. Makes me want to take out my rear shelf and use it like a bat to beat the guy at BMW who thought he'd save the company a few dollars by using this junk. Even my Ford Explorer had higher quality plastics.

Edit: Sorry, been watching Ray Donovan a little too much lately.
+++++ Awesome post!
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Makes me want to take out my rear shelf and use it like a bat to beat the guy at BMW who thought he'd save the company a few dollars by using this junk.
We may have just stumbled on the reason the fineline has no RWS...

Can a fineline trim fester admit to having more rattles than the RWS crowd???
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Thanks for the replies thus far, but has anyone seen any DIY for a door panel removal? Even a Speaker upgrade tutorial would work if it was for the F01 or even a 5 Series....????

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Plastic used in these cars is extremely cheap. I have some chintzy plastic noise coming from center console mainly. My former E65 was a lot more silent. On the high side the torque on this car makes me very forgiving....
As for the door panel removal I would be very careful because it contains an airbag module.
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Thanks for the replies thus far, but has anyone seen any DIY for a door panel removal? Even a Speaker upgrade tutorial would work if it was for the F01 or even a 5 Series....????

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You know I have see one, but can't think where right now. I'll try to look, but have not had a chance.
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You know I have see one, but can't think where right now. I'll try to look, but have not had a chance.
OK, does this work for you?
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:35 PM
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Thanks for the Workshop Page, that looks like that will help with the process of hunting those stray noises down!
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OK, does this work for you?
Great info. Does anyone know where to download the workshop manual?
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From what I hear, the outgoing X5 is notorious for rattles.

I can't pinpoint all of the noises in my 7 but it seems like the B-columns are the source of most of it. I've tried using that aerospace 303 stuff on the seals and haven't noticed any improvement. Cabin is good at keeping road noise out, but definitely has more sounds originating internally than any other car I've owned - including my E65 which was fairly silent inside. Seems like the cheap plastic around the b-columns and lower door just get creaky as they age. Makes me want to take out my rear shelf and use it like a bat to beat the guy at BMW who thought he'd save the company a few dollars by using this junk. Even my Ford Explorer had higher quality plastics.

Edit: Sorry, been watching Ray Donovan a little too much lately.
I have to agree, my E66 was dead quite!
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Thanks for the replies thus far, but has anyone seen any DIY for a door panel removal? Even a Speaker upgrade tutorial would work if it was for the F01 or even a 5 Series....????

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If you are still in need I can take a look at a service manual. I can pm or fax it to you. Let me know.
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I need to take the door handle off, where you put your hand to close it, any help with that would be appreciated.
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Not the door handle to open but the ~20" decorative strip?
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I have also been looking for that presentation on door panel removal. I need to remove the left rear door panel to fix the power window; seems the cable has slipped off or broken the pulley. There are many mentions of the door panel removal procedure, but all the links come up empty. Is there a recent link, or perhaps some recent pictures of the process? Should have stated that the model is a 98 740iL, as all prior discussion has involved F01 models...

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I have also been looking for that presentation on door panel removal. I need to remove the left rear door panel to fix the power window; seems the cable has slipped off or broken the pulley. There are many mentions of the door panel removal procedure, but all the links come up empty. Is there a recent link, or perhaps some recent pictures of the process?
I could provide the service guide on that. pm me your email.

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Not sure if you tackled that yet, but I just posted my guide. Perhaps it will help. Also, I'd be curious to know how I did in comparison to the Service Guide that Sir.Chris has. Let me know if you have both in hand now.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=732786
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Not sure if you tackled that yet, but I just posted my guide. Perhaps it will help. Also, I'd be curious to know how I did in comparison to the Service Guide that Sir.Chris has. Let me know if you have both in hand now.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=732786
This is awesome, wish we had this for other parts of the car.
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Re: BMW F01 Passenger Door Panel Removal

I have everything..

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Excellent DIY Guide! I have not removed my door yet as the Black and White workbook version out there was not descriptive enough...This however is excellent! I need to identify where my rattle is coming from and I have hunch that it is in the lower portion of the door panel...For all I know it could be the wires within vibrating against the door panel when it the low frequency hits etc...

Thanks Again for taking the time to craft up this tutorial!
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@cmc003: your Front door Panel Removal Guide is excellent, high quality instructional; you are to be commended for preparing it. My case however, involved the rear door panel, and I sussed it out with only minor difficulties after viewing what other material was available. Turns out the top pulley on the 'window regulator', which is code for the entire Brose assembly that powers the window, that top pulley, which is the cheapest, flimsiest, plastic, simply embrittled to the point of fracture. The cable then wound around under the capstan... a mess. I got the door apart, assessed the Brose assembly as designed to be unfixable (the plastic pulley in question is pressed into the assembly, so it cannot be replaced without a similar press, which consumers are unlikely to possess - thus perfecting the design of planned obsolescence). The dealership here was prepared to provide a new Brose assembly for $360, so I went to a junkyard and bought one out of a 1999 740 for $60. Having seen the removal process firsthand, the re-assembly went quickly, and I am back on the road again, my 1998 740 back to full operational running condition.
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@cmc003: your Front door Panel Removal Guide is excellent, high quality instructional; you are to be commended for preparing it. My case however, involved the rear door panel, and I sussed it out with only minor difficulties after viewing what other material was available. Turns out the top pulley on the 'window regulator', which is code for the entire Brose assembly that powers the window, that top pulley, which is the cheapest, flimsiest, plastic, simply embrittled to the point of fracture. The cable then wound around under the capstan... a mess. I got the door apart, assessed the Brose assembly as designed to be unfixable (the plastic pulley in question is pressed into the assembly, so it cannot be replaced without a similar press, which consumers are unlikely to possess - thus perfecting the design of planned obsolescence). The dealership here was prepared to provide a new Brose assembly for $360, so I went to a junkyard and bought one out of a 1999 740 for $60. Having seen the removal process firsthand, the re-assembly went quickly, and I am back on the road again, my 1998 740 back to full operational running condition.
That sounds horrible. Glad you were able to fix it for a reasonable price. I have not yet been lucky enough to have a reason to tear into the rear doors, as the reason for doing so (with the front doors) was for speaker replacement and the rear doors in my 740Li do not have speakers. But if I ever do, you can expect a similar guide. Sorry I wasn't able to help you, but it sounds like everything worked out.
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