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Old 11-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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Anyone "step down" from an e90 335 to an F30 320

or another more powerful car for that matter? My 335 lease is coming to an end soon and I'm very tempted by that nice 66% residual on the 320. Equipped the way i'd want them, a 328 would cost me $100 more a month! And a 335 nearly $150. When I leased my 335 in 2011 the main reason I chose it over the 328 at the time was that much better ZF automatic. Now that all 3 series have the fantastic ZF 8 speed, that becomes less of a concern. I'm just worried that it may be too big a step down. Though I did have an e46 325i prior to the e92. Anyone else been tempted or actually done it?
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:53 PM
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I stepped down from E60 550 6MT to F30 320 6MT.

I figured I can't utilize V8 much for daily driving and 320 gives me much higher fuel economy and more fun (due to its light weight).

Big difference here is that I have manual transmission, which is 50% of the fun factor.

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Old 11-17-2013, 03:46 PM
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Anyone "step down" from an e90 335 to an F30 320

I personally wouldn't do it. It sounds like a good idea but there have been plenty of people who stepped down to 328 or 320 and after they got some miles under their belt wished they had just ponied up. If you lease your only a few months in and stuck with a ride your not truly satisfied with.


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Old 11-17-2013, 03:56 PM
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$150 more a month for 120 more HP with the f30 335i sounds reasonable, especially given the additional content.

$100 more a month for the same 2.0 liter turbo, just a bit more content, 60 more hp....doesn't really smell good to me
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:21 PM
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I stepped down from E60 550 6MT to F30 320 6MT.

I figured I can't utilize V8 much for daily driving and 320 gives me much higher fuel economy and more fun (due to its light weight).

Big difference here is that I have manual transmission, which is 50% of the fun factor.

this. make sure you get the manual, and you'll be A-OK.
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:29 PM
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Anyone "step down" from an e90 335 to an F30 320

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I stepped down from E60 550 6MT to F30 320 6MT.

I figured I can't utilize V8 much for daily driving and 320 gives me much higher fuel economy and more fun (due to its light weight).

Big difference here is that I have manual transmission, which is 50% of the fun factor.
Yeah - if I can convince my wife to learn how to drive a manual it would be an easy choice. Then again, I might consider something like the focus st at that point.


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I stepped across rather than down, since my 2013 320i, with sport package and manual six-speed, has about the same horsepower as my traded-in 2003 E46 325i, a car that I treated to half a dozen HPDE days (as with my 1993 E36). No track yet for my new car but I did get a lot of opportunity to toss the car around at a BMW CCA car control clinic and it performed even better than my E46, with the pleasant benefit of a larger car and with better mpg. I am also lucky enough to have a wife who loves driving a manual--though she has yet--in over 9,000 miles since May 15--been able to dislodge me from my position behind the M-Sport steering wheel!
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Re: Anyone "step down" from an e90 335 to an F30 320

Here.

Picking up mid December. 320i with sport package is dirt cheap and contains all you need from BMW DNA. I can't find any reason to step up to higher model. We will see again in 3 years
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If I had any more power and performance than I have with my 320i ZSP ZMT, I would probably be getting into serious trouble, often!
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or another more powerful car for that matter? My 335 lease is coming to an end soon and I'm very tempted by that nice 66% residual on the 320. Equipped the way i'd want them, a 328 would cost me $100 more a month! And a 335 nearly $150. When I leased my 335 in 2011 the main reason I chose it over the 328 at the time was that much better ZF automatic. Now that all 3 series have the fantastic ZF 8 speed, that becomes less of a concern. I'm just worried that it may be too big a step down. Though I did have an e46 325i prior to the e92. Anyone else been tempted or actually done it?
is that residual for 10K?
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Please tell me more about driving a 320i after a 550i.

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I stepped down from E60 550 6MT to F30 320 6MT.

I figured I can't utilize V8 much for daily driving and 320 gives me much higher fuel economy and more fun (due to its light weight).

Big difference here is that I have manual transmission, which is 50% of the fun factor.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:11 PM
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I am very happy with 320i. It's simply more tossable. It feels naturally more sporty.

Of course, power wise, there is no comparison between 320 and 550 but I always felt the size and weight of 550 although it did excellent job addressing that throught sport package including active roll stabilization (which is amazing). 550 is excellent for its size but you cannot deny physics... After owning 550 for 4 years, I am convinced I don't need V8 power for daily driving. Those fast straight line fun was short lived. Driving fast on curvy roads are much more rewarding...

Since I am coming from 5 series, I have no compaints on F30's steering.
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$150 more a month for 120 more HP with the f30 335i sounds reasonable, especially given the additional content.

$100 more a month for the same 2.0 liter turbo, just a bit more content, 60 more hp....doesn't really smell good to me
Optioned similarly, there wouldn't be any extra content in the 335i - just the engine. Of course, there are options that are only available in the 328 and 35 like the dynamic handling package, adaptive cruise etc. But you can option up a 320i to be equivllent to a 328 or 335 equipped with xenons, premium pkg, leather, etc. And even if you do that there's still a big gap in lease cost due to the much higher residual.

But yeah, given the pricing I think it makes sense to either go with a 320 or go all the way for a 335.
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I am very happy with 320i. It's simply more tossable. It feels naturally more sporty.

Of course, power wise, there is no comparison between 320 and 550 but I always felt the size and weight of 550 although it did excellent job addressing that throught sport package including active roll stabilization (which is amazing). 550 is excellent for its size but you cannot deny physics... After owning 550 for 4 years, I am convinced I don't need V8 power for daily driving. Those fast straight line fun was short lived. Driving fast on curvy roads are much more rewarding...

Since I am coming from 5 series, I have no compaints on F30's steering.
What about the engine sound (intake/exhaust)? One of the pleasures of a less powerful engine is being able to wind it out more often- but if it sounds bad it negates that. THat is one thing i really like about my current 335. And does the idle feel/sound rough from inside?
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is that residual for 10K?
Yes. BMW makes it relatively easy to reverse engineer their residuals. In the fine print on their lease offers they always give the MSRP and the buy out price for the mileage they are quoting. Thought that was required but not all car mfr websites have the buyout. You then subtract 1% for 12k and another 1% for 15k. The money factor is harder because they like to quote their offers with a mysterious amount of "dealer contribution". Edmunds message boards seem to be a good source and its easier now that BMW has gone with a standard MF across the lineup- so you just need to find 1 number.
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Moving from my old E39 to F30 328i(with similar weights) was a slight step up HP and lb-ft wise, but the 328i N26 8AT also pulls 0-60 a second faster than the M54 I6 6MT, so for me it has been a significant step up smile-per-gallon wise.
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We wound up a 320i 8 spd AT with the dealer SA the other day and it had a nice growl to it ...... fast enough ......fun car.

My previous F10 535i was so darn fast in city conditions any attempt to accelerate quickly on the on ramp left me reading the fine print on the bumper stickers ahead of me!
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same scenario here.........................
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Yes. BMW makes it relatively easy to reverse engineer their residuals. In the fine print on their lease offers they always give the MSRP and the buy out price for the mileage they are quoting. Thought that was required but not all car mfr websites have the buyout. You then subtract 1% for 12k and another 1% for 15k. The money factor is harder because they like to quote their offers with a mysterious amount of "dealer contribution". Edmunds message boards seem to be a good source and its easier now that BMW has gone with a standard MF across the lineup- so you just need to find 1 number.

Thank you sir. I guess I was spoiled with Jon's PDF Residual sheets.
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I have not driven a 320i so I can't say much about it. I would think though for those that have gotten used to the power of 335, to give over 110 bhp and 100 lbs of torgue can't be fun.
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Do you ever get to use that extra power in NYC, what with the crappy roads, congestion, and speed traps on ever corner?

I don't even make full use of the 230 hp my 328 has.
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Do you ever get to use that extra power in NYC, what with the crappy roads, congestion, and speed traps on ever corner?

I don't even make full use of the 230 hp my 328 has.
All the time due to the insane merges in this part of the country (think merging into the left lane of traffic with little visibility). Also helps a lot with lane changing. Ironically, if I lived in a less crowded it would be easier to have less power.

Anyway it's kind of hard to truly and honestly answer the "how much power is enough" question. You quickly get used to more even if you don't really "need" it. And as in general become faster there is a bit of an arms race to keep up. On one hand you Probavky don't want to be in an 80s diesel Mercedes. On the other hand you probably don't need a 500hp Shelby.


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My advice is pick up a nice CPO E9x M3 it is some thing you will truly enjoy. However, if gas is a major issue then get a nicely equipped E92 335is. The N54 is one heck of an engine and you will have best of both worlds.

You will be saving money in long run by letting some one else take initial depreciation as most E9x can now be had for great bargains.

I would wait on the whole F30 until they sort it out as more and more complaints are registered.
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All the time due to the insane merges in this part of the country (think merging into the left lane of traffic with little visibility). Also helps a lot with lane changing. Ironically, if I lived in a less crowded it would be easier to have less power.
That's been my experience in downtown Philly, where we have blind left lane merges too. Those are where I miss my old Saab's torque the most, and for safety I need to turn off my Acura's stability and traction control for merging from a stop (as often happens), lest the nannies cut in and spoil the launch. I'd expect a 320i to be a little better with its more robust torque band. I'm a die hard MT guy, but I wouldn't mind a modern eight-speed auto or dual clutch tranny in those situations. One bad launch or shift could seriously ruin your day.

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My advice is pick up a nice CPO E9x M3 it is some thing you will truly enjoy. However, if gas is a major issue then get a nicely equipped E92 335is. The N54 is one heck of an engine and you will have best of both worlds.

You will be saving money in long run by letting some one else take initial depreciation as most E9x can now be had for great bargains.

I would wait on the whole F30 until they sort it out as more and more complaints are registered.
Have an e92 335i with the N55. It's a lease, and that's how I prefer to "own" my BMWs at this point. No desire to deal with one out of warranty and to be honest I'm not that enamored with the e90 platform that I want to re-up. No big issues, but the car feels a bit big/heavy/ponderous. Plus I want 4 doors this time around. The e90 M3 is sort of interesting, but the terrible range/fuel econ, and the 50k price range for a 2011 CPO one isn't that enticing. Haven't completely ruled it out but if I spend 50k plus it will likely be on a used 911 at some point.. The gran coupe version of the 2 series sounds interesting to me as well, but that won't be here till 2015 or so (assuming they do decide to make it). If I somehow decided to stick with a coupe and buy used it would probably be a 135i in the 20s...sort of regret getting the 335 over the 135 actually. ANd whenever I run the numbers on buying a CPO BMW, it often comes out the same or more as just leasing an equivalent new car (if I keep it less than 5 years which I likely would)--I think that's becasue the lease deals are so good and the CPO cars tend to have jacked up prices.

So my thought was to get a cheap lease on something "tolerable" while I wait for something to come out that truly grabs. Hence the 320 idea. Have also considered some FWD family sedans like an Accord or Mazda 6, but the leases aren't that great. Last idea is a VW GTI, but again the leases aren't as good as BMW plus I'm not sure I want to deal w/ all the possible BS that potentially comes with VW.
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