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Cadillac ATS-V coming with 500hp?

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While Cadillac's ATS-V is still under cover and camo, talk about what would be powering it, has brought about an interesting rumor that I caught from Automobile.

The ATS-V is expected to run a twin-turbo direct injection V6. However, it's sounding like it may not be the 3.6 liter from the XTS Vsport and the CTS Vsport, as originally thought. A new 3.2 liter twin turbo V6 would be sitting under the hood. But does less displacement mean less power? Not so much, this is where the rumor gets good.

"Were hearing the dip in displacement provides a little more robust platform for tuning the engine north of the 500-hp mark. That figure seems to be a firm goal for GMs engineers, and if so, the Cadillac ATS-V should outgun the 430-hp 2014 BMW M3 and M4 one of the ATS-Vs most significant competitors."

Now this is just a rumor, but 500 horsepower! I know, as with every Cadillac, looks play a big factor. However, if the performance is there, this could be a major player. What do you think about the possibility of a 500 hp ATS?

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Old 11-18-2013, 08:12 AM
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I highly doubt it.

I see it having 420-460hp tops.

That is plenty and gives it placement above the CTS VSport but under what will be mid 5's to low 600 of the CTS-V.

If it comes in a manual, I will surely give it consideration against the F80 M3.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:20 AM
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I highly doubt it.

I see it having 420-460hp tops.

That is plenty and gives it placement above the CTS VSport but under what will be mid 5's to low 600 of the CTS-V.

If it comes in a manual, I will surely give it consideration against the F80 M3.
The new M3/M4 is looking pretty sweet judging from the pictures floating around.

Many buyers of the previous CTS-V generation were also Corvette owners. And, many of these would come back to the Corvette Forum and say that they grew bored with the car relatively quickly.
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The new M3/M4 is looking pretty sweet judging from the pictures floating around.

Many buyers of the previous CTS-V generation were also Corvette owners. And, many of these would come back to the Corvette Forum and say that they grew bored with the car relatively quickly.
I liked the CTS-V, mainly the idea of a 500-600-700(tuned) wagon with a 6mt. But I am also anti 4k-LB curb weights. The ATS-V should be 3500-3650lbs, a bit more tolerable and more to my liking.

I also test drove a Tesla model S P85 this week, it's surprisingly cool even for a car guy who insists on manuals like myself. That instant surge of power is hard to duplicate and quite addictive. In NJ, not only do you get the tax credit, there is NO sales tax on them.
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I liked the CTS-V, mainly the idea of a 500-600-700(tuned) wagon with a 6mt. But I am also anti 4k-LB curb weights. The ATS-V should be 3500-3650lbs, a bit more tolerable and more to my liking.

I also test drove a Tesla model S P85 this week, it's surprisingly cool even for a car guy who insists on manuals like myself. That instant surge of power is hard to duplicate and quite addictive. In NJ, not only do you get the tax credit, there is NO sales tax on them.
I did a double take this weekend while sitting at a traffic light. On the opposing side of the street, about 3 cars back, was a beautiful Tesla Model S Coupe in red. At first, I thought what the heck is that beautiful car. My wife was equally awestruck. I did a web search for it when I returned home and found out that only renderings have surfaced and it's still in the planning stages. So, it appears to be more than renderings (or has this model been launched) as I saw one sitting at a traffic light on Saturday. That was one ultra sweet looking ride.

My primary problems with a Tesla are: it would remind me of driving my golf cart; I don't like catching on fire if hit broadside; I think the technology is still emerging and I don't like being a beta tester; and, I absolutely love my Porsche.
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I did a double take this weekend while sitting at a traffic light. On the opposing side of the street, about 3 cars back, was a beautiful Tesla Model S Coupe in red. At first, I thought what the heck is that beautiful car. My wife was equally awestruck. I did a web search for it when I returned home and found out that only renderings have surfaced and it's still in the planning stages. So, it appears to be more than renderings (or has this model been launched) as I saw one sitting at a traffic light on Saturday. That was one ultra sweet looking ride.

My primary problems with a Tesla are: it would remind me of driving my golf cart; I don't like catching on fire if hit broadside; I think the technology is still emerging and I don't like being a beta tester; and, I absolutely love my Porsche.
There is no Coupe, you either saw a model S or a Roadster which just looks like an Elise. If it was some pre-production car, it would have had camo.

The fire issue is comical, it's less likely to catch on fire than a IC engine powered vehicle. It's just that the media locks onto it.

After driving it, I can tell you it is not like driving a golf cart. It had very nicely weighted steering, firm, and some feedback, I was worried the car was going to feel like piloting a video game which it did not.

My only concern is, why be an early adopter? Why pay $65-110k for it when in a few years the batteries will be better and lower priced/more perfected versions will be issued.
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There is no Coupe, you either saw a model S or a Roadster which just looks like an Elise. If it was some pre-production car, it would have had camo.

The fire issue is comical, it's less likely to catch on fire than a IC engine powered vehicle. It's just that the media locks onto it.

After driving it, I can tell you it is not like driving a golf cart. It had very nicely weighted steering, firm, and some feedback, I was worried the car was going to feel like piloting a video game which it did not.

My only concern is, why be an early adopter? Why pay $65-110k for it when in a few years the batteries will be better and lower priced/more perfected versions will be issued.
These are the times when I wish I carried a smart phone to take pictures. I know what you're saying, and what I read, but I stared at it enough to know what I was seeing. It was a coupe with no camo. It was at a light near to my house, so maybe I'll get lucky to see it again and catch the driver to ask some questions.

It did not look anything like the Roadster.
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These are the times when I wish I carried a smart phone to take pictures. I know what you're saying, and what I read, but I stared at it enough to know what I was seeing. It was a coupe with no camo. It was at a light near to my house, so maybe I'll get lucky to see it again and catch the driver to ask some questions.

It did not look anything like the Roadster.
Anything is possible, but I do not think ANYONE has seen a camo-less photo, so you would have had the scoop of all scoops
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Anything is possible, but I do not think ANYONE has seen a camo-less photo, so you would have had the scoop of all scoops
It got my juices flowing for sure. Now, just send the body to Porsche to finish off with my 3.8L flat-six manual transmission drivetrain, and that will be a car of the decade.
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Go drive one.

They have demos to drive at the King of Prussia Mall next time you are in PA and not FL.

Trust me, I had the same reservations as you.

I would not want it to be my only car. I would not want it to be my toy/performance car. But what it offers is very unique and gratifying in it's own way.

We might make it my wife's new car next year. But she feels like I do, that maybe wait a couple years when the same tech is offered for half the price.
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Go drive one.

They have demos to drive at the King of Prussia Mall next time you are in PA and not FL.

Trust me, I had the same reservations as you.

I would not want it to be my only car. I would not want it to be my toy/performance car. But what it offers is very unique and gratifying in it's own way.

We might make it my wife's new car next year. But she feels like I do, that maybe wait a couple years when the same tech is offered for half the price.
I've been in their demo kiosk in KOP Mall, but just to look. I should take the time for a test drive. My wife points out the sedan everytime she sees one. Maybe it would be a good replacement for her 535xi as she does not do much long distance travel by car.

You're young and no doubt more open minded than me. I'm not sure that I could be happy without an internal combustion engine, but then again, as in the case with our turbo charged/turbo lagged BMWs, then maybe so?
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I've been in their demo kiosk in KOP Mall, but just to look. I should take the time for a test drive. My wife points out the sedan everytime she sees one. Maybe it would be a good replacement for her 535xi as she does not do much long distance travel by car.

You're young and no doubt more open minded than me. I'm not sure that I could be happy without an internal combustion engine, but then again, as in the case with our turbo charged/turbo lagged BMWs, then maybe so?
I am young, but I am very traditional when it comes to cars.

Not much hurt in test driving one.

It has the qualities I like in a turbo, but no lag, instant response. And it's not like it's silent when up to speed, you still have plenty of wind/tire noise. It makes the acceleration(0-60 in 4 seconds) that much more surreal.
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I would buy a Model S tomorrow if I could drive it to my second home. Unfortunately, there seem to be no plans for Superchargers along the I81 corridor in Virginia and my two homes are 260 miles apart, just enough to cause massive range anxiety. I hope the battery technology supports 400 mile range in a few years.
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Interestingly when the 2.0L of BMW and Caddi wheel dyno's are compared, they're nearly identical. Yet the Caddi is 'rated' greater than 30~ish HP more.

Sooo ... I'll take 500 BMW horses over a 500 Caddi horses any day of the week! 500 Caddi horses are like a 400 BMW horses
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Interestingly when the 2.0L of BMW and Caddi wheel dyno's are compared, they're nearly identical. Yet the Caddi is 'rated' greater than 30~ish HP more.

Sooo ... I'll take 500 BMW horses over a 500 Caddi horses any day of the week! 500 Caddi horses are like a 400 BMW horses
The comparison between the ATS and 328 engine has nothing to do with this.
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This rumor is most likely untrue - the ATS-V will almost certainly use the same engine as the CTS V-Sport - in terms of production, availability, and cost efficiency it simply makes ALOT more sense.

Definitely very interested in test driving the ATS-V though. Wonderful platform, one I can get behind to a much greater degree than the CTS. Great driver's car too, moreso (I think) than the equivalent F30.
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I would buy a Model S tomorrow if I could drive it to my second home. Unfortunately, there seem to be no plans for Superchargers along the I81 corridor in Virginia and my two homes are 260 miles apart, just enough to cause massive range anxiety. I hope the battery technology supports 400 mile range in a few years.
Definitely a first-world problem, huh?
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The new M3/M4 is looking pretty sweet judging from the pictures floating around.

Many buyers of the previous CTS-V generation were also Corvette owners. And, many of these would come back to the Corvette Forum and say that they grew bored with the car relatively quickly.
The new Corvette sound incredible. That is the one car from the GM staple that I would pay to get.
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The new Corvette sound incredible. That is the one car from the GM staple that I would pay to get.
I'd wait a while before pulling the trigger on a new Corvette. I was visiting the Corvette Forum last week and it appears many owners are experiencing fitment problems, paint issues, and a number of mechanical and electrical issues.

I always waited 4 years before buying my last three Corvettes. By then, theoretically, GM would have enough time to get the bugs out. It didn't work out for me very well though for my '09 ZO6. Complete valve assembly on exhaust side had to be replaced at 4,800 miles. Many owners have the same issues all the way up to and including the last of the C6 ZO6s.

It's a shame, as Corvettes are really fun to drive.
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This rumor is most likely untrue - the ATS-V will almost certainly use the same engine as the CTS V-Sport - in terms of production, availability, and cost efficiency it simply makes ALOT more sense.

Definitely very interested in test driving the ATS-V though. Wonderful platform, one I can get behind to a much greater degree than the CTS. Great driver's car too, moreso (I think) than the equivalent F30.
Same engine but probably tuned differently to produce less HP and torque in the ATS-V.
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Same engine but probably tuned differently to produce less HP and torque in the ATS-V.
Why would Caddy want the ATS-V to have less power than the CTS V Sport? The V is like an M car, the V-sport is like M Sport.
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Why would Caddy want the ATS-V to have less power than the CTS V Sport? The V is like an M car, the V-sport is like M Sport.
Because it is cheaper and lighter than the CTS-V. GM will keep the CTS-V as their top overall performer in their class, just as the base Corvette beats out the Camaro.

Why would people buy a more expensive CTS-V if they can get as good of performance from an ATS-V? That doesn't make sense, as the majority of buyers of these cars are primarily interested in performance.
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Because it is cheaper and lighter than the CTS-V. GM will keep the CTS-V as their top overall performer in their class, just as the base Corvette beats out the Camaro.

Why would people buy a more expensive CTS-V if they can get as good of performance from an ATS-V? That doesn't make sense, as the majority of buyers of these cars are primarily interested in performance.
No different than BMW when it came to powering the 1 Series M Coupe (though the tuneability of the N54 bridges the power disparity).

No doubt the M4 & future M2 will have the same guiding philosophy regarding power and performance numbers vis-a-vis the -V.

Some gladly trade-off HP for reduced weight and size (with concomitant fatter wallet).
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Because it is cheaper and lighter than the CTS-V. GM will keep the CTS-V as their top overall performer in their class, just as the base Corvette beats out the Camaro.

Why would people buy a more expensive CTS-V if they can get as good of performance from an ATS-V? That doesn't make sense, as the majority of buyers of these cars are primarily interested in performance.
The next cts-v isnt out yet, and will most likely be a V8. The turbo V6 is for the V Sport, which is not the CTS-V.
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Old 11-22-2013, 06:02 PM
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It's already been confirmed that there will be a 2015 ATS coupe at the Detroit Auto Show. The ATS-V is another car that could show.
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