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Old 11-18-2013, 08:16 PM
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Thought rotating left<->right, regardless of coupling that with front<->back, reduced tire noise?

Isn't the front<->back rotation reducing handling performance due to the way camber wears the [usually rear] tires? I've definitely noticed a lack of handling 'prowess' after a front<->rear rotation due to this. And it takes thousands of miles and hard turns scrubbing the tires to undo that.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:16 PM
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Can't speak for the new car yet...it may be different.

My E46 also came with the "do not rotate" instruction, but the tire shop (America's tire co.) said they would refuse to give me credit for premature wear (which I ALWAYS had) if the tires were not rotated regularly by them (included in the cost of tire purchase and installation). Basically, without rotation, my rear tires would wear out with about 10K miles left on the fronts. Even with rotation, the continentals which I think had a 60K warranty, would be worn by around 40-45K. So there was a significant incentive for me to rotate back then.
Virtually every tire maker that provides a mileage warranty on their tires requires evidence of regular rotation, approx. 5,000 mile intervals, to make any kind of warranty claim.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:30 PM
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So it sounds like you are of the belief that if you have non-directional, perfectly square tires on a BMW, you are strongly recommended NOT to rotate them? I'd love to hear from others that have a similar setup.

Again, I just checked my tires and they are the fully square Pirelli Cinturato, non-directional type. And yes, I was planning to rotate them every 5K or so to keep the wear as perfect as possible over the life of the tires.

BTW, I have also always rotated my radials (again, square setup, non-directional) in a front/rear/criss-cross pattern for over 30 years with no issues whatsoever.
+1, With every car that I've owned that has non-directional tires I've always rotated my radials fronts to back and backs to the opposite side of the front. If the tires are directional, then I just rotate front to back and back to front. It evens out the wear so I always end up replacing all the tires at once. The only exception to this is my S2000 which has different size wheels on the front and back.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:44 PM
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If you go staggered, just one less thing to worry about.
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and if you are Not staggered, I would say you don't need tire rotation if you ensure proper tire pressure every month, then balance and align once a year.
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Virtually every tire maker that provides a mileage warranty on their tires requires evidence of regular rotation, approx. 5,000 mile intervals, to make any kind of warranty claim.
I often wondered if they required "evidence" because they knew that people would be too lazy to get the tires rotated that often. Now you have cars that can go twice that distance before needing an oil change. Not many people are "type A" enough to take their car in to the shop only to get their tires rotated. #Cynic
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:20 PM
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My old E39 MT got tires rotated every 3k miles at America Tires which has lifetime balance and rotate. The current F30 AT has less negative camber at rear than E39 and all four corners wear evenly, so no plans to rotate for this ride.
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+1, With every car that I've owned that has non-directional tires I've always rotated my radials fronts to back and backs to the opposite side of the front. If the tires are directional, then I just rotate front to back and back to front. It evens out the wear so I always end up replacing all the tires at once. The only exception to this is my S2000 which has different size wheels on the front and back.
Check your owner's manual. Rotating between axles is not recommended.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:33 AM
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Check your owner's manual. Rotating between axles is not recommended.
Here's the relevant page from the 2007 Subaru WRX owners manual.

So Subaru recommends rotating tires in exactly the manner I described. Of course their assumption is that the tires on the front and back are the same. My wife's 2011 Toyota Sequoia manual says the same thing, although I couldn't find a download of it.

BTW, the Subaru owners manuals are free to download.
http://www.subaru.com/owners/resourc...ls/search.html
So there's no copyright violation for posting the image above or downloading.
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Here's the relevant page from the 2007 Subaru WRX owners manual.
BTW, the Subaru owners manuals are free to download.
http://www.subaru.com/owners/resourc...ls/search.html
So there's no copyright violation for posting the image above or downloading.
Sorry, we're on a BMW forum. I thought we were talking about BMW's.

If you check the F30 owner's manual you'll see that it recommends against rotating across axles.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:53 AM
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Sorry, we're on a BMW forum. I thought we were talking about BMW's.
I was thinking that we're discussing the topic in general. More to the point, why does BMW have a recommendation that seems to contradict the recommendations of other manufacturers? I'm thinking that if you can rotate the tires, you should.

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If you check the F30 owner's manual you'll see that it recommends against rotating across axles.
I sold the WRX and will pickup my F32 on 12/3. According to the ordering guide, my F32 will come with directional 225/50 R18's on the front and directional 255/45 R18's on the rear. There's no way to rotate the tires, so I won't.
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I was thinking that we're discussing the topic in general. More to the point, why does BMW have a recommendation that seems to contradict the recommendations of other manufacturers? I'm thinking that if you can rotate the tires, you should.
That's because BMW alignment is a black art practiced on a graveyard at midnight. And even then it is very hard to get it right. The last thing BMW wants is to pay for repetitive alignment attempts in order to solve vibrations possibly caused by rotating tires.

Probably. Not 100% sure, but not far off.


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BMW tells you to not rotate the tires and will be the first to deny you warranty satisfaction for erratically worn tires, or prematurely worn tires that can be conveniently blamed on alignment.
As stated above, every one of BMW's tire suppliers demands rotation for their tires in the replacement market...but they remain silent on the issue for their BMW original equipment tires.
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I rotated the tires on my E90 for 160,000 miles - never a problem, I got about 55k on each set and they wore very evenly. Discount Tire rotates for free every 5k..

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Old 11-19-2013, 06:22 PM
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...According to the ordering guide, my F32 will come with directional 225/50 R18's on the front and directional 255/45 R18's on the rear. There's no way to rotate the tires, so I won't.
In cases like this with staggered directional tires, I have the tires taken off and flipped on the rim so I can do a left<->right rotation. If the only twisties you have available to you on your daily drive is to attack clover leaf exit ramps at the controlled limit, and you do that week after week, month after month, it keeps the tires on the left from wearing out way before the tires on the right.
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I rotated the tires on my E90 for 160,000 miles - never a problem, I got about 55k on each set and they wore very evenly. Discount Tire rotates for free every 5k..

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I don't get it. Is 11 trips to the shop worth the small savings each 55k miles? Let's say that over 160,000 miles you save one set of tires. That $1k costs you 32 trips to the shop to swap tires. That's a lot of lost time. Even worse for people paying for rotations.


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In cases like this with staggered directional tires, I have the tires taken off and flipped on the rim so I can do a left<->right rotation.
Hopefully the tires won't wear to the inside or outside, but I'll do this if necessary.
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