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Old 12-11-2013, 12:36 PM
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Anyone running tires designed for comfort?

I have a lovely 335d. One of the OEM run-flats has a leak. It has me thinking about my next tires.

I drive this car on the highway. It will rarely hit above 100mph. I have a Porsche that outperforms it in every "high performance" way possible, so I don't care about putting $1500 high performance tires on the car.

But...

I don't want to screw up the feel under normal, relaxed driving circumstances.

Anyone running tires that favor comfort over absolute performance in terms of handling and grip?


Any suggestions? I don't want to wallow around like I am in a rented Oldsmobuick, but again...I don't need the ultimate in sportiness.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:03 PM
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Touring tires, that is the class you want to look for. All tires trade one thing for another so yes, ultimate performance will not be as high.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:12 PM
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I think the best favor you can do for yourself in terms of comfort would be to drop the wheel size down. Are those 18s or 19s? Nothing will make it ride softer than dropping the RFTs and gaining a tad bit more tire wall height.

I have 17s on the 3-er with GFT Conti All Seasons. They are reasonably performance oriented without being aggressive or a touring tire. I feel actually like at 65k miles the car has softened up too much and I need to overhaul the front and rear end a bit. It probably needs a few new bushings and replacement struts/shocks.
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:11 PM
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not an expert on tires but ive been buying tires for 40 yrs
the current touring tires ie,, 80k miles tires are not good for traction and ard usually quite hard
i prefer the 45-50k mile warranty performance tire for both traction and comfort.

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Old 12-11-2013, 04:55 PM
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On my 2011 328 'vert, the run-flats were worn so I replaced with all-season go-flat tires. In addition, I went up a smidge in sidewall height from 40x18 to 45 x 18 in front, 35x18 to 40 x 18 in rear (staggered). The ride is much better, the size looks nicer; performance where we drive somewhere near the legal limit is still very acceptable. There is no rubbing! Keep us posted on what you use.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:19 PM
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We gave up on RFTs because of tramlining and harsh ride and went selected a performance touring tire, Bridgestone Serenity. They are very good in wet weather and comfortable for long distance cruising which is how we use our wagon.

On tight decreasing radius highway ramps the sport suspension (sway bars) does the work and I never push things to the limits of tires. That's for track time.

Sport suspension with different tire sizes (front and rear) was a liability when touring in remote areas where strange tire sizes are not available. I bought two rims so that all four tires are the same size. There was no noticeable change to handling or comfort.

You can go a long way in changing your tires without affecting day to day driving enjoyment as suspension plays a bigger role, in my opinion.

The biggest grin came when we changed out the RFTs. The car felt normal finally.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:22 PM
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I put Goodyear Assurance ComfortTreads on my 2009 Xdrive because 90% of my driving is highway driving. I got rid of the run-flats and what a HUGE difference in ride and noise. I don't mind the tradeoff in performance.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:24 PM
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If you keep to RFT, Michelin Primacy ZHP Grand Touring tires. Excellent, for RFT that is. The new F30 use some super plush RFT as well, 3rd gen Bridgestones I believe.
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Old 12-13-2013, 05:48 AM
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I gave up run flat years ago. The first set I got when I got rid of the run flats was Toyo Proxes 4. I like them for what I drive and they lasted me more than 30k with staggered setup. When I had to replace that set I got the same tires, them being called Proxes 4 Plus now.
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:22 AM
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I drive this car on the highway. It will rarely hit above 100mph. I have a Porsche that outperforms it in every "high performance" way possible, so I don't care about putting $1500 high performance tires on the car..
You do 100 MPH in the United States? That's insane dude!
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:14 PM
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Tire was unrepairable and I would have needed 2 rears plus road hazard for all four for about $700...so I traded in the RFTs for these:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ort+A%2FS+Plus

$900 because they just came out with a newer version.

"The Pilot Sport A/S Plus is the Ultra High Performance All-Season tire member of Michelin's Pilot family of low profile, high-speed tires that represents the evolution of the Pilot Sport A/S. Developed for the drivers of high-end sports cars, sporty coupes and performance sedans, the Pilot Sport A/S Plus is designed to combine enhanced all-weather performance, wet grip and treadwear along with year-round traction, including in light snow."

They are nicer than the OEM RFTs. Maybe slightly quieter, but they feel grippier (probably because the weather has been in the slow 40s during the day).

I wouldn't say it is a night and day difference, but the are more comfortable on the highway. No issues so far...but I won't have an extended road test until next week.

They also include lifetime towing in the event of a flat.

They seem like a good compromise.
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Old 12-15-2013, 06:39 AM
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Timely discussion for me as I'm considering the same. I heard Continentals were good too after I searched the forum on this topic. I have pilot sport rft's now, staggered on 18's. I bought my car as a CPO last year, fronts have a lot of tread but rears are getting close to replacement time.
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Old 12-15-2013, 07:57 AM
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I have a lovely 335d. One of the OEM run-flats has a leak. It has me thinking about my next tires.

Conti DWS the gold standard for all seasons w/comfort - depending on where you are, may be exactly what you need. Siskiyou Pass? Snows, please.

TireRack an excellent vendor.
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Old 12-16-2013, 11:58 AM
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Tire was unrepairable and I would have needed 2 rears plus road hazard for all four for about $700...so I traded in the RFTs for these:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ort+A%2FS+Plus

$900 because they just came out with a newer version.

"The Pilot Sport A/S Plus is the Ultra High Performance All-Season tire member of Michelin's Pilot family of low profile, high-speed tires that represents the evolution of the Pilot Sport A/S. Developed for the drivers of high-end sports cars, sporty coupes and performance sedans, the Pilot Sport A/S Plus is designed to combine enhanced all-weather performance, wet grip and treadwear along with year-round traction, including in light snow."

They are nicer than the OEM RFTs. Maybe slightly quieter, but they feel grippier (probably because the weather has been in the slow 40s during the day).

I wouldn't say it is a night and day difference, but the are more comfortable on the highway. No issues so far...but I won't have an extended road test until next week.

They also include lifetime towing in the event of a flat.

They seem like a good compromise.
OK...after a few days I can say that it really is a night and day difference. These are great all-around tires.

There may be quieter tires out there that sacrifice some performance in the bends, but I am happy with this compromise.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:11 PM
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Highest rated "Grand Touring" tire on TireRack

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ll+Season+Plus
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I would go with Pirelli , They seem like the Rolex of tires..
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I can't wait to get rid of my rock hard run flats!!! No wonder my front rims are bent and cracked.
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Old 12-20-2013, 04:07 AM
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I switched from SP 18" staggered 255s Potenza to 17" 225/45R17 Kumho Ecsta 4X (all season 'high performance')

Much cheaper, less grip, no more rim damage but rides only a little softer ride with SP. You'd need to swap struts for much a better ride

If my Miata were no so good I'd consider the Cayman. Passed one at my last track day
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Old 12-20-2013, 04:16 AM
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"The Pilot Sport A/S Plus is the Ultra High Performance All-Season tire member of Michelin's Pilot family of low profile"

They are nicer than the OEM RFTs. Maybe slightly quieter, but they feel gripper (probably because the weather has been in the slow 40s during the day).

I wouldn't say it is a night and day difference, but the are more comfortable on the highway. No issues so far...but I won't have an extended road test until next week.
Just saw this. Summers of any brand grip more than any all season in the right temps. You are seeing more grip as it's cold out.

Brands don't matter 'that' much in general. These days categories are all generally 'somewhat close' in performance.

The Pilot Sport A/S will be very similar to my Khuma 4x tires. The OEM Potzeas are not that much more grippy that the BF Comp 2's on my Miata. Boy, oh boy do the BF Comp 2s grip above ~45F! $91 each (today) for the Miata too!
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Old 12-20-2013, 05:33 PM
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I switched from SP 18" staggered 255s Potenza to 17" 225/45R17 Kumho Ecsta 4X (all season 'high performance')

Much cheaper, less grip, no more rim damage but rides only a little softer ride with SP. You'd need to swap struts for much a better ride

If my Miata were no so good I'd consider the Cayman. Passed one at my last track day
I love Miatas. They are a real "drivers car".

The last time a spec Miata race car passed me was a few years ago, however. I am now quicker in my Cayman R around the tracks I frequent than any of the best qualifying laps they can do. With twice the HP, I should be.

Your MX5 looks pretty sweet. 6 EDs? That is AWESOME! Life, well lived.
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Not for extended periods of time. Mostly.

Ever driven I-5 from LA to SF at 2AM?

90MPH gets you run off of the road. By minivans.
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I love Miatas. They are a real "drivers car".

The last time a spec Miata race car passed me was a few years ago, however. I am now quicker in my Cayman R around the tracks I frequent than any of the best qualifying laps they can do. With twice the HP, I should be.

Your MX5 looks pretty sweet. 6 EDs? That is AWESOME! Life, well lived.
Thanks. I still running beginner groups and many people turn in up in fast cars that don't know how to drive them I've been a bit ill on and off so have only managed four track days since ~2006! Am hoping 2014 is the first year for doing them regularly.

The Cayman seems to have pretty much displaced the 911 as the enthusiasts choice. GT3 aside, but that's getting pretty serious.
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