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Old 07-01-2004, 11:57 AM
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I've heard of this before, but didn't quite believe it. Doesn't really affect me since I'm out of warranty now, but something to think about for later.
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:09 PM
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Has BMWNA taken a position on this yet?

So now people will be AutoXing under aliases (but with the engine diagnostics and memory, don't think that will help much)
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:11 PM
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I've heard of this before, but didn't quite believe it. Doesn't really affect me since I'm out of warranty now, but something to think about for later.
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:15 PM
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So now people will be AutoXing under aliases
Some clubs/regions have stopped listing car make/model/color/year in their results because of it. If it becomes a larger issue, I suspect that more and more clubs will do the same.

Evenif the computers function as a black box, it could only be used as justification for the manufacturer to claim customer abuse.
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This is just another reason for all you folks to go out and get a dedicated track car or shifter kart.
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Old 07-01-2004, 01:58 PM
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Why is this just becoming an "issue" now? People have been racing their new cars for years. Is it because technology is at the point where automakers can better track down people who do it? I'd imagine the policy was always the same-- if they suspect that you tracked it or "abused" it they can try and deny warranty coverage. I do sort of see the manufacturer's side though-- it is hard to expect them to "fund" frequent racing events. Even dedicate race car needs to be rebuilt once a season or so. But, they can't have it both ways- they should stop advertising the cars in ways that imply you should buy one to compete.
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Old 07-01-2004, 04:38 PM
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My theory on this is that many companies are trying to cash in on the performance marketing model, a la BMW M, and aren't prepared to deal with the consequences of such a program. Back when it was only a handful of enthusiasts, it probably wasn't that bad to cover the costs of this stuff, but now that performance is in and mass-market, it's a different story.

Also a lot of the scary track stories you read on the Internet with really uncontrolled and undisciplined learning environments probably hasn't helped --- people are screwing up their cars in greater numbers. Certainly, the recent anti-track insurance policies reflect this trend.

I find it ironic too that the Evo uses a fully seam-welded Lancer chassis: it seems kind of stupid to do that and then say you can't drive the car hard. Porsche's absolutist position was really surprising coming from a company that sells the 911GT3 and factory roll-cages. What's the point? If you mess up the car on the track, that's understandable and you should be held responsible, but to dismiss all claims because you've been on the track seems too extreme.

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So has BMWNA announced such a policy (yet) ?
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The key to this is that these are timed competition events. BMW CCA Driving schools are solely for driver education. BMW CCA Club Racing is for exactly that.
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well a number of people are claiming BMW contingency money so BMW has their personal info, but to the best of my knowledge they have never used it to deny warranty claims

it often comes down to the dealership, sounds like Mitsu has taken it to the corp level

in case you weren't aware, rumors are that Mitsu is close to going belly up, so they are desparate to improve their bottom line any way possible, coming up with excuses to deny waranty claim losses serves this purpose. Sadly, they didn't recognize that a large part of their sales was directly related with the owner's intended use, so in the end they have shot themselves in the foot. Anybody who autocrosses won't go near Mitsu again.
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well a number of people are claiming BMW contingency money so BMW has their personal info, but to the best of my knowledge they have never used it to deny warranty claims

it often comes down to the dealership, sounds like Mitsu has taken it to the corp level

in case you weren't aware, rumors are that Mitsu is close to going belly up, so they are desparate to improve their bottom line any way possible, coming up with excuses to deny waranty claim losses serves this purpose. Sadly, they didn't recognize that a large part of their sales was directly related with the owner's intended use, so in the end they have shot themselves in the foot. Anybody who autocrosses won't go near Mitsu again.
Yeah, I think Mitsubishi has done a lot of desperate things that have later gotten them into trouble. I remember reading that they had a campaign for several years where they lended way too much to sub-prime lendees and had to write-off a ton of debt.
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