Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > E39 (1997 - 2003)

E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #51  
Old 01-26-2014, 10:14 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
For the record, a similar thread was opened today:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Uneven tire wear

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw530ii View Post
Hey everybody. Today I was looking at my tires and noticed that my inner rear tires are wearing out unevenly. What's going on? The front tires are good.

__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 03-26-2014, 01:59 AM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
For the related record, an interesting thread, with good details, was opened today, by Fudman:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Should I Attempt a Rear Alignment DIY

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fudman View Post
Just got new "shoes" for my car (Conti DWS). As part of the installation package, they gave me a front alignment (Hunter) and measured the back. My rear camber is a bit out of spec at -2.3 L & -2.4 R deg. Bentley's says -2.0 deg and the Hunter spec calls for -2.0 to -2.2 deg. However, my toe is worse at -0.20 L and 0.25 R. Bentley's says total toe is 22' +/-4' and Hunter spec calls for 0.15 - 0.22 deg.

I can bring it back and have them adjust the rear for $50 or I can DIY for free. Normally, I would never consider doing an alignment. However, I'm thinking about adjusting the rear toe myself and possibly reducing the rear camber to 1 deg (I don't really need the improvements to handling). While my alignment "tools" clearly lack the precision of a Hunter, my concerns about a DIY alignment are considerably less now that the car is older. I do have a few questions: Will making adjustments to the rear axle affect the front axle settings? Am I being penny wise and pound foolish (some might say cheapskate), since the tires cost $600 for the set?
See also the recent related thread:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Yet another...Front Wheel Alignment..Thread..with a possible solution?

Quote:
Originally Posted by aa240sx View Post
this guy over on the M5 forum seems to have come up with a hackjob method of adjusting front camber without having to buy a camber correction kit.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39...ut-plates.html

Having just installed my third set of front tires due to really bad inner tire wear in roughly 4 years, I'm open to trying just about anything and reaming out the strut holes to make the camber adjustment seems viable.
I should point out that I did do a semi complete front suspension overhaul a couple years ago, but that I am riding on coilovers and no, I don't wish to switch back to stock ride height on stock struts as a solution.
An interesting corollary here is I did the alignment front and rear myself and the rear tires are wearing perfectly and show no signs of wearing out at least for another year or so. The nice thing about the rear suspension on these cars is that they do provide an eccentric bolt to adjust camber.

Thoughts?
If I were to do this what I am currently experiencing is really bad inner tire wear (front tires only) which I assume is attributable to a combination of toe and negative camber.
Which way should the top strut holes be reamed to introduce more positive camber, say at least 1 degree if not more? I assume these holes should be reamed towards the outer fenders and not towards the engine.
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need

Last edited by bluebee; 03-27-2014 at 04:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 03-26-2014, 10:58 AM
doru's Avatar
doru doru is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Calgary
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,663
Mein Auto: 2003 530iA
Change the rear ball joints, then do an alignment and ask to have the wheels as straight as possible.
In 8 years of ownership I'm on my 2nd set of EVENLY worn tires. This 2nd set is at 85-90% for both winters & summers. BTW, you should check if the rear control arms and bushings (and sway bars) are still OK, but if the car wasn't abused on bad roads, those should last quite a while as opposed to the front counterparts.
This is the simplest answer for rear worn tires inwardly. And it works.
__________________
Looking for a DIY? Parts? Check this out, it might be your ticket
TMS underdrive pullies - Stewart WP - PSS9 - Beisan Vanos seals - Zimmerman cross-drilled & Akebono Euro - Deka 649 MF - 55w HID headlights - 35w HID foglights - Hualigan double din - ACS (rep) alu pedals - Euro central storage console - Breyton Magic Racing staggered wheels - M5 bumper - M5 steering wheel - Tint
Stable: e39, e53, e46 & Tribby
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 10-20-2014, 01:26 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
There's a thread today, similar to this one, for reference:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Uneven Tire Wear... Alignment?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
Now that I've finally gotten around to posting this, I've noticed that my rear tires have very uneven wear.
I had replaced my old style 5 wheels with the style 29s probably a little over a year ago because my mechanic told me that the wheels were warped, and apparently this is pretty common with the 2-piece style 5s. When I replaced the wheels, the ride had improved, but now I am noticing that the rear tires are very uneven.
When I bought the wheels, they came with Yokohama tires that had a good amount of tread, and I recently took off the rear wheels to check the wear because of this issue. The pass. side tire was worn more toward the inside of the wheel. The driver side tire was nearly bald.
I haven't been spinning the tires, and as many times as the mechanic tells me the alignment is good, I don't think it is.
Do you think it could be the alignment that is the problem, or is it something else? If it helps, I recently had issues with the passenger side air spring going out, and right now it's holding with some of that rubber spray stuff (which actually worked quite well).
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 11-24-2014, 05:58 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
This related information was posted here today ...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > How do you break & seal the bead when replacing your own tires on BMW wheels at home?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKJS View Post
Sealing a tire does require quite a bit of energy, that being muscle or machine, and quite a bit of air pressure both applied simultaneously.

As far as tire wear I'd suspect a bit too much toe out causing a bit excessive wear on the inner 50% of the front tires.

The stems you have chosen are used for high performance/race vehicles where damage to the stem can be life threatening and frequent. For most applications a standard stem is just fine.

On race cars toe is evaluated in the pits by reading tire temp at several places across the tread by IR as soon as the car comes in off the track.

You probably already know this stuff but if not, here is my very simple explanation of the axes and there effect:

Caster has the effect of asking the tire to return to center when disturbed from straight ahead.

Camber is used to bring the tire to level when hard cornering so that the entire tread is available for traction.

Toe used to counteract the forces of acceleration on wheel alignment during acceleration; toe in for a front wheel drive that has the tendency to cause the front drive tires to toe out upon acceleration and toe out for rear wheel drive cars that cause the front wheels to toe in just a tad upon acceleration.

There are also small adjustments made to street cars for the crown of the road but I have forgotten which axis this occurs in. Perhaps someone else who does these adjustments frequently can help here as I have forgotten some or all of this, or if i have totally screwed this someone please chime in and correct me as it has been a while since I worked on race cars.

Hope I have helped,
doc
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 03-01-2015, 09:21 AM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
This related thread has some good specs from RDL ...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Negative camber question
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdl View Post
I agree that excessive camber will promote tire wear. OTOH, I don't think that E39 specs are excessive. I've owned 3 cars with IRS & ~2 degrees of -ve camber on 215 & 225 section width tires. (3 brands - European Ford, European GM & now BMW) I've never had any abnormal tire wear over 500k miles on the 3 cars. Even though I've had well meaning people give me a friendly warning that "something must be wrong with your car - the tires are leaning inward."

But TIS disagrees with you about rear camber.
For I6 and 540 models with "standard," "low slung sport" and "M-sport" suspensions TIS lists the spec as -2 deg 10 minutes. The tolerance does vary among options: either +/- 20 minutes or +/- 25 minutes of angle. The difference is so small that I can't imagine it makes any practical difference.
M5 spec is -1 deg 50 minutes, i.e. less than others. One suspects due to 275/35 section width tires vs 225/55 for I6 cars. Although even then, the difference is so small at 20 minutes of angle or 1/3 degree that it would be hard to spot by eyeball alone.
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 05-17-2015, 01:57 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
By way of xref, here are some alignment numbers posted today...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Tire questions
Quote:
Originally Posted by theWalkinator View Post
OK, so I got a pair of decent used front tires, they also did balance on the wheels so no more shaking at 60 miles. Today I brought the car to Just Ties for 4 wheel alignment, to my surprise, the rear alignment parameters are far off than the front, and passenger side rear wheel inner rim is worn which need to replace soon. The car just had 6000 miles from the last alignment, they went off so fast, so the only thing can blame is the bad road conditions here. Anyway, Just Tires do not use weight to do alignment, Firestone also has Hunter machine but they do not do BMW alignment because they don't have weights to do it per BMW way but Just Tires don't think that it matters.

Here is the before and after alignment parameters, the drive side front chamber has no room to adjust so they just leave it that way:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	7de7624e-8ab0-4184-a44b-ae8a6c4bc531_zpsmlc25rzk.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	392.5 KB
ID:	509581  
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 05-21-2015, 05:00 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
A related question popped up today...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > 99 528i camber
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny9520 View Post
I have just found out that all four wheels on my 528i have a slight camber and are wearing on the inside. I want to know if this is cause of the factory settins or is it just regular wear and needs to be aligned? Also anyone else having this issue?
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 05-21-2015, 08:03 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
This information was posted today...
> 5 Series > E39 (1997 - 2003) > 99 528i camber
Quote:
Originally Posted by edjack View Post
The Mike Miller-suggested rotation pattern is LR>LF, RR>RF; RF>LR, LF>RR.
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old Yesterday, 07:14 PM
bluebee's Avatar
bluebee bluebee is offline
Seek to understand,^Value
Location: San Jose, California
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 24,180
Mein Auto: 02 BMW 525i M54 auto 130K
For cross reference, this thread was updated today ...
- How to align front camber bolt eccentrics by knocking out the E39 factory alignment pin or the shock strut mount tower crash slot camber pin for negative camber plates (1)
__________________
Please read the suggested threads, where the best always add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders.
See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need
Reply With Quote
  #61  
Old Yesterday, 08:39 PM
Wgosma Wgosma is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Oceanside, CA
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 434
Mein Auto: 98 528i 5-spd sport pkg
Quote:
Originally Posted by poolman View Post
TMVE39 hit it pretty good--thats what I have mine set on and and I'm getting 60k miles on Toyo's--gave up on the miches
This seems to me amazing mileage you've be able to get....tell me more about these specific Toyo tires, I'm curious.

FYI, I'm running 225/55's on 16" wheels, sport suspension on my 98 528i. I've owned 3 of these cars and have gotten about 30K miles or so out of a set (I rotate). Now I have never put pricey tires on the car likely that is the reason....right now running Yoko YK580's and they look like they'll be going 40K or more, which would be nice.

Thanks/Bill
__________________
Bill in Oceanside, CA
98 528i - 5 spd, Premium Pkg. & Sport Suspension
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
abnormal tire wear, alignment specifications, alignment specs, camber, front camber, front wheel alignment, rear camber, tire wear, wheel alignment


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > E39 (1997 - 2003)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2015 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms