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E90/E92/E93 M3 (2008 - 2014)
4th generation E90 M3 sedan, E92 M3 coupe and E93 M3 convertible. The last of the naturally aspirated M3s, powered by a 4.0 liter V8 making 414hp and 295 lb-ft of torque.

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Old 02-02-2014, 10:31 AM
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I should have pre-faced everything else with this statement!
While buying "new" is great, the initial depreciation is staggering. The wife's on board so hopefully when the time comes I'll find a nice CPO or take over an existing lease with favorable terms.
It will probably the smartest thing to do! Plus, with the arrival of the new car, the price of mods is going to drop. (When that bug hits you)

I still die inside a little every time I see how cheap stuff is for the E46 M3.


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Old 02-02-2014, 10:36 AM
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OP, if you have to ask, just get the M4. New isn't necessarily better, just ask the e30 M3 enthusiasts, but you have to know exactly what you want to justify an older version! If you have no idea why you should have the older version, other than depreciation, just play safe and match the times....
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I fear the new M3/M4 is a 335iSS more than the evolution of the E9x M3.

Sadly. I was looking forward to another Euro Delivery M trip ....
I doubt that. I'm taking turns in the m5 within 10mph of the fastest I would do in the e92... Dropping 1000lbs and adding a little more time of R&D I am quite confident I will at least match or best the e92. Now will you get the same driving experience, thats questionable, but the engineering will deficiently be there to match or best it, I'm 100% sure of that after pushing this m5 to its limits daily.

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I should have pre-faced everything else with this statement!
While buying "new" is great, the initial depreciation is staggering. The wife's on board so hopefully when the time comes I'll find a nice CPO or take over an existing lease with favorable terms.
lol I thought 22k max hit enjoying the m5 till the m4 came... WRONG. Closer to 30k if not more Buying new is awful and honestly I don't think I'd do it if I had 100,000,000,000 dollars lmao. Its just stupid, and break in sucks.

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I doubt that. I'm taking turns in the m5 within 10mph of the fastest I would do in the e92... Dropping 1000lbs and adding a little more time of R&D I am quite confident I will at least match or best the e92. Now will you get the same driving experience, thats questionable, but the engineering will deficiently be there to match or best it, I'm 100% sure of that after pushing this m5 to its limits daily.
The M5s limits are a lot higher than you think (;


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I doubt that. I'm taking turns in the m5 within 10mph of the fastest I would do in the e92... Dropping 1000lbs and adding a little more time of R&D I am quite confident I will at least match or best the e92. Now will you get the same driving experience, thats questionable, but the engineering will deficiently be there to match or best it, I'm 100% sure of that after pushing this m5 to its limits daily.



lol I thought 22k max hit enjoying the m5 till the m4 came... WRONG. Closer to 30k if not more Buying new is awful and honestly I don't think I'd do it if I had 100,000,000,000 dollars lmao. Its just stupid, and break in sucks.
I think he means evolution in the direction of 'turbos' vs NA! To some the M spirit is more NA than turbo irrespective of what performance a turbo can deliver.
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I think he means evolution in the direction of 'turbos' vs NA! To some the M spirit is more NA than turbo irrespective of what performance a turbo can deliver.
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I think he means evolution in the direction of 'turbos' vs NA! To some the M spirit is more NA than turbo irrespective of what performance a turbo can deliver.
Oh, gotcha. I have no concept of "spirits", and magical ideologies. I wasn't alive in 27 BC
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Oh, gotcha. I have no concept of "spirits", and magical ideologies. I wasn't alive in 27 BC
Me too,.. just opened a few history books!
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The wife drives the GT with a twin turbo motor and the turbo lag bothers me a bit. I like my NA motor better. We'll see how the new models stack up...
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Oh, gotcha. I have no concept of "spirits", and magical ideologies. I wasn't alive in 27 BC
I agree, but I'd also say that "numbers" aren't all that goes into my evaluation.

There are also the visceral and auditory pleasures of driving, such as the instantaneous throttle response, the sound of that V8 revving to over 8k RPM...

I have no doubt the next M3 will be faster. It'll probably have larger, more symmetrical tires, apparently weigh less, have way more power and improved DCT and Diff.
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improved DCT and Diff.
Minor improvements if its the same dct thats in the m5 that I'm using now, over the one I had in the m3.
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Minor improvements if its the same dct thats in the m5 that I'm using now, over the one I had in the m3.
Sure. The DCT in my '11 M3 is fine. But most things are open for improvement, so I threw that on the list despite having no idea what specific changes may have happened.

I hope it's awesome - give me an excuse to go back for another Euro Del. But I'm skeptical of the engine. I'm sure it'll be a beast and have WAY more area under the curve vs. my S65. But will it be an unobtrusive component of the car, or an S65-esque centerpiece? That's the issue for me. I'd much rather they stayed with the S65 or went to the E46 CSL engine. Apparently between being filthy and guzzlers, those weren't options.
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I voted with my pocketbook.

Before my E92 M3 ZCP DCT, I had a 2012 335is. My original plan was to keep the 335is for two years then buy the new M4 coupe. When I learned that the M4 was to have an I-6 with multiple turbo chargers, I changed my mind - I had an I-6 with multiple turbo chargers and I really disliked its throttle response - even after adding Dinan software to improve the car's power curve.

The explosive nature of the the way the power came on line made it difficult to accurately dial the back-end out. The turbo-lag, as minimal as it was, still meant that, when cornering, you still had to push the accelerator down before you actually needed the power and guess how much you needed.

Do you think that the new M4 will somehow be different than all other high performance turbo motors, i.e. turbo lag (I had to count potatoes in my 335is and it was better than the E93 335i I had before it), non-linear throttle response, cooling issues and limp mode, limited RPM due to turbos reaching their max RPM and wastegate failures (BMW lost a class action suit on that one)?
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hoping the combination of small turdbos and "impulse charging" will minimize throttle response lag....now the power delivery will be a different story though. . i thnk driving style will hve to chage.
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non-linear throttle response, cooling issues and limp mode, limited RPM due to turbos reaching their max RPM and wastegate failures (BMW lost a class action suit on that one)?
I have beat on this m5 constantly (and by that I mean pushing it to its limits, not actual abuse) and it continues to ask for more. The only time my temps went above the mid mark (and maybe a tad) was when I did 7 150 runs in a row and I mean with maybe a minute or two for cool down lmao. The thing is nothing like the n54 that needs a break after 1-3 rips.
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