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Old 03-12-2014, 10:59 PM
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Welcome to the nightmare. I'm afraid BMW/Goodyear has won the war. Despite a multitude of complaints to NHSTA they have never taken responsibility for the fact that these tires are either poorly designed, poorly manufactured, or a poor fit for this particular vehicle.

I lost 6 tires in 5 months in 2011 and thankfully my BMW service center agreed to replace them, and since then I have had ZERO failures in the same driving conditions. If this is not conclusive proof that the Goodyear Eagle LS2 tires are crap, I don't know what is.

The problem will only get worse now that even more configurations of the 5 series are being shipped with these tires. Most configurations don't even have an option for 18" wheels anymore.

I was ready to switch to an Audi A6 this time around but my dealer agreed to replace the tires prior to delivery. If they balk, there is no way I will take delivery of my 2014.
Goodyear stopped honoring tire replacements since the end of 2011, if your 2014 comes with LS2 you need to get a tire insurance otherwise you will be dead in the water. The dealer will not replace them for free anymore
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:22 AM
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Filed a clam with Goodyear and they will replace all 4 tires prorated at about 60% as long as I stay with Goodyear. Not too bad for tires with almost 30k miles on them. The new LS2 tires no longer include road hazard warranties, looks like they stopped including last year.
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:09 AM
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Filed a clam with Goodyear and they will replace all 4 tires prorated at about 60% as long as I stay with Goodyear. Not too bad for tires with almost 30k miles on them. The new LS2 tires no longer include road hazard warranties, looks like they stopped including last year.
Do you mean they cover the tiers from 2011 but dont cover the new ones?
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:43 AM
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Do you mean they cover the tiers from 2011 but dont cover the new ones?
I appears that the road hazard warranty was included with new tire purchases up to June of 2013, not sure if the OEM tires included it after 2012 MYs. I haven't seen any of the paper work on the LS2 from the dealer. I'm a bit worried owning these with-out any type of road hazard coverage...
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:33 AM
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2 weeks ago i called good year. i posted here on page 61.
good year informed me changes were first made to run flat ls2 roadside hazard warranty in november 2012.
i had known changes were made i just wasnt sure of the date.
they didnt say if any additional changes were made beyond that date,nor did i ask.
that date is in conflict to other dates posted here. im not saying the date i was given is correct,or that other dates are not.
im simply saying i would double check dates because their appears to be a conflict with dates given by good year.

on more thing . when i phoned good year at that time,i asked why the coverage was changed mid stream.
rep said she didnt know ,good year never told them.
i said i can tell you. there can only be one reason and one reason only.
it was costing them too much money,too many were failing, resulting in too many warranty claims.
she informed me very confidently ,that was not the reason.
i asked her if she doent know the reason how could she be so sure it was not the reason.
she again just said she knows. i reminded her, you already told me you dont know, so the fact is you think.


heres my history. purchased car oct. 2011.
recieved good year tire warranty on cd , with my bmw owners manual .
warranty only states that road hazard damage to tire in the first 12 months would be covered in full,
and that from years 2 to 6 the tire would be pro rated on thread wear,and owner would then have to pay out of pocket based on wear.
so far so good. no problem.

here is where the problem is.
nowhere in good year cd does it state that warranty is only limited to one claim per tire.
they informed me that after the warranty change, once they replace a tire,they are no longer obligated to warranty the replacement.
the problem,is no where did i read that in the warranty cd when i purchased the car. it appears they suddenly inserted that at some point in time.
my belief is that when they want to make changes to tire warranties ,they should be made up front at the time of sale of new vehicle or new tire.
those who have old or existing warranty that is more consumer friendly should at the least be grandfathered in.
they made a deal,then they reneged .not good for customer relations or future sales.

i mentioned my car was new in oct 2011...2012 x drive m sport.
shortly thereafter i noticed a bubble in front sidewall.
i had only had the car a couple of weeks. it was in the fall, there were no potholes,nor did i remember hitting any.
for all i know the bubble could have came from transportation to dealership or a test drive.

at that time tires were on national back order.
good year advised me to go to bmw who had the best chance to get one.
i did,and bmw had my car there for 3 or 4 days. i made a trip there for bmw to inspect it,and order it.
another trip back there to drop off the car,and another trip back to pick up the car.
tire was covered in full,and no one said to me thats it, if you ever have a problem with this replacement you are on your own.
at that point in time i dont believe any warranty changes had yet to take place.

so now the deal is you have 4 tires and each is entitled to a one time replacement.
rather then bring it in and get another useless ls2,that will eventually fail again. i might just wait until a couple or even all bubble,
and then have enought good year credit to replace all 4 with maybe some traditional asymmetrics .
i will then rid myself of the ls2 headache once and for all,and good year will pick up the tab,as they should.
getting 4 new tires right before sale or trade will also increase the value of my car.

because of this tire fiasco,and also having to replace my battery around the 2 year mark, i will not return to bmw. i was considering a 4 conv. ,but thats not gonna happen, they lost a customer.
they made a car that would only take 1 tire. they gave the buyer no choice. there was no competition,and they were not even available when you needed a replacement.
add to that the tire they chose for that car was the worst possible match,and its just a question of where the blame lies. bmw or good year.
since i dont really know i will just blame them both ,because thats more then likely where it belongs.
i will visit porsche,m.b. and audi.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:52 AM
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pal joey: I feel much the same as you do except I will just factor in the cost of obtaining an acceptable tire/wheel combination when I look at my next car. BMW paid for the switch on my current car, but I don't expect that will happen again.

As far as blame goes. It falls on BMW NA for not offering acceptable tire/wheel combinations as OEM and allowing their dealers in the Northeast to sell the ones they do without a caveat other than the one in small print in the brochure that is distributed nationwide. This is especially true when all 2014 X-drives other than the base model will come only with the failure prone 19" LS2 combination.

BTW, I wouldn't drive around on bubbled tires waiting for all four to bubble. I did that when it was impossible to get a timely replacement. Take it from me, they will eventually blow out sooner rather than later.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:56 AM
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As long as it isn't for too long, I drove round with a bubble on one side and a tear on the other - but stayed local just in case - even with the tear, the tire maintained pressure, further proof IMHO of faulty design - the outer layer failed with bubbles and tears, but the inner layer must have stayed intact!


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Old 03-19-2014, 10:34 AM
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As far as blame goes. It falls on BMW NA for not offering acceptable tire/wheel combinations...
No question. Yet, they continue to rely on this awful tire in even more configurations of the 5 series with AWD. I really cannot understand how, in three years, BMW has not even attempted to get another manufacturer to offer a RFT in this size. They must have a very tight agreement with Goodyear as the sole supplier.

Perhaps if more people filed safety complaints to NHSTA somebody would wake up and listen. I urge everyone who has problems with this tire to do this.

File a Safety Complaint | Safercar.gov | NHTSA

Personally I had a blowout on one of these tires that caused me to lose control of the vehicle and veer into the lane to my right. Thankfully nobody was there. I wonder how many serious accidents were caused by this tire.
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Old 03-19-2014, 03:43 PM
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:28 PM
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I live in NYC and owned 535ix over the last year i have replaced 3 good year 245/45/r18 RFT. Due to bubbles on the edge, got my first one from bmw dealership for 386. got the second one from local shop for 320. And last one for 323. Please help me save money what should i do ? What brands of tires should i use?
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Old 03-20-2014, 02:52 AM
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I use the same size tires you do.
Non RFT Michelin.
They have got the Primacy tire you could choose which is well adapted to our cars.
Or the super sport like I use, in the winter months my BMW is on a set 17 inch non RFT Michelin alpins.
Never had a bubble, but I do not live in a pothole area.
BF sponsor tirerack has got a lot of info for choosing your tires.

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Old 03-20-2014, 02:58 AM
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I live in NYC and owned 535ix over the last year i have replaced 3 good year 245/45/r18 RFT. Due to bubbles on the edge, got my first one from bmw dealership for 386. got the second one from local shop for 320. And last one for 323. Please help me save money what should i do ? What brands of tires should i use?
Go with Michelin pilot AS3 (Non run flat)
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Old 03-20-2014, 03:38 AM
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one suggestion,go to costco switch out to traditional tires and purchase roadside hazard insurance with them.
carry a small air compressor in trunk , $20. in sears, along with a can of tire sealant.
if your not comfortable with that you can get a jack,and a small spare for the trunk,with the money saved buy not buying new runflats.

after i called good year last week,i called a couple of good year tire shops.
some are independently owned ,others are good year owned.
im only dealing with good year because i am gonna take advantage of their warranty.
i will combine their credit with their current $80.00 rebate on the purchase of 4 new tires.
im considering the all season asymmetric line.

i spoke to a few tire guys. here is what most of them agreed on.
they told me traditional tires on this car will bubble at the same rate as runflats.
in fact they said the runflats have stronger sidewalls.
they dont advise deviating from the original size 245 40 19.

another thing ,bubbles are easy to spot when they are on the outside wall, but they can also be on the inside wall, are not visible.
that being the case if there is a high fail rate with these tires based on what has been visible and then replaced.
one can only wonder how many have failed on the inside and have yet to be replaced. that would make the already high number of failures increase even more.
you also have to wonder how many of us are currently driving at high speeds on the highway with these tires that can blowout at any time, because of the damaged, weakened sidewall.
a possible accident waiting to happen, hows that for peace of mind?

according to good year, yet once again these tires are on back order. they advised me to contact bmw.
back order again, a possible sign that they might be failing faster then goodyear produces them.
this tire is a weak link created by bmw and good year,and they cant even have the tire readily available.
as a result,no confidence in either one of them,and no confidence in the car for a trip of any significant distance from home,
or even on local roads at highway speeds.

for me im thinking if they are gonna continue to fail...why keep replacing them at $400. a pop,when you can get $200. tires?
and why depend on a tire that if it fails,there is a good chance its on back order.
i am willing to sacrifice run flats, because i dont feel the negatives outweight the positives.

anyone wishing to view ls2 warranty can view it on tirerack.com
bring the tire up on the page ,then there is a lower box ,additional tire information, click on warranty.
there are 5 variations of warranty coverage from january,2007 to date, depending on when you purchsed the vehicle or tires.


here is one drivers story,why would anyone choose or accept this?

BMW is one of the best vehicles on the road. But a can is only as good as the tires.
I would suggest NEVER purchasing a BMW car or Truck only because of the run flat tires.

I have leased 4 BMWs my last one was a 535xi all wheel drive with RUN FLat Goodyear tires. I replaced 12 tires in 2 years. The inconvenience was crazy.
One time I was stuck on the side of the NJ Turnpike when I was towed to the closest dealer the tires were on national back order. My car was stuck in NJ for 10 days.

I had to have a friend come pick me up and drive me to Long Island. So for the next 14 months the car never left L.I
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one suggestion,go to costco switch out to traditional tires and purchase roadside hazard insurance with them.
carry a small air compressor in trunk , $20. in sears, along with a can of tire sealant.
if your not comfortable with that you can get a jack,and a small spare for the trunk,with the money saved buy not buying new runflats.

after i called good year last week,i called a couple of good year tire shops.
some are independently owned ,others are good year owned.
im only dealing with good year because i am gonna take advantage of their warranty.
i will combine their credit with their current $80.00 rebate on the purchase of 4 new tires.
im considering the all season asymmetric line.

i spoke to a few tire guys. here is what most of them agreed on.
they told me traditional tires on this car will bubble at the same rate as runflats.
in fact they said the runflats have stronger sidewalls.
they dont advise deviating from the original size 245 40 19.

another thing ,bubbles are easy to spot when they are on the outside wall, but they can also be on the inside wall, are not visible.
that being the case if there is a high fail rate with these tires based on what has been visible and then replaced.
one can only wonder how many have failed on the inside and have yet to be replaced. that would make the already high number of failures increase even more.
you also have to wonder how many of us are currently driving at high speeds on the highway with these tires that can blowout at any time, because of the damaged, weakened sidewall.
a possible accident waiting to happen, hows that for peace of mind?

according to good year, yet once again these tires are on back order. they advised me to contact bmw.
back order again, a possible sign that they might be failing faster then goodyear produces them.
this tire is a weak link created by bmw and good year,and they cant even have the tire readily available.
as a result,no confidence in either one of them,and no confidence in the car for a trip of any significant distance from home,
or even on local roads at highway speeds.

for me im thinking if they are gonna continue to fail...why keep replacing them at $400. a pop,when you can get $200. tires?
and why depend on a tire that if it fails,there is a good chance its on back order.
i am willing to sacrifice run flats, because i dont feel the negatives outweight the positives.

anyone wishing to view ls2 warranty can view it on tirerack.com
bring the tire up on the page ,then there is a lower box ,additional tire information, click on warranty.
there are 5 variations of warranty coverage from january,2007 to date, depending on when you purchsed the vehicle or tires.


here is one drivers story,why would anyone choose or accept this?

BMW is one of the best vehicles on the road. But a can is only as good as the tires.
I would suggest NEVER purchasing a BMW car or Truck only because of the run flat tires.

I have leased 4 BMWs my last one was a 535xi all wheel drive with RUN FLat Goodyear tires. I replaced 12 tires in 2 years. The inconvenience was crazy.
One time I was stuck on the side of the NJ Turnpike when I was towed to the closest dealer the tires were on national back order. My car was stuck in NJ for 10 days.

I had to have a friend come pick me up and drive me to Long Island. So for the next 14 months the car never left L.I
If you put non run flat you will be ok, its a problem with run flats and specially the LS2
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:47 AM
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I hit a major pothole today in my town and was happily surprised to see the LS2 survived it. I thought it was dead for sure as it was a huge hole and was filled with water. Can't wait till they start filling in these potholes around here.
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I hit a major pothole today in my town and was happily surprised to see the LS2 survived it. I thought it was dead for sure as it was a huge hole and was filled with water. Can't wait till they start filling in these potholes around here.
Just keep checking it for the next month or so, sometimes the bubble will not show up
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Yeah. I will. I always do a walk around to check tires/wheels and look for dings. In other stupid tire news my best buddy came over to my house with his just delivered '14 550ix (gorgeous car, fully loaded M-Sport). He has had the car a week and is losing tire pressure from the right rear tire. Dealer thought it was a faulty TPMS sensor but he's putting air in daily. He's less than pleased that he's got a problem week one with an $80k car and is going back to insist they correct the tire or wheel. These LS-2s are really an issue.


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"i spoke to a few tire guys. here is what most of them agreed on.
they told me traditional tires on this car will bubble at the same rate as runflats.
in fact they said the runflats have stronger sidewalls.
they dont advise deviating from the original size 245 40 19."

IMHO, this is a crock. This is my 3rd BMW product that came with OEM run flats and the first two cars never had a problem with the run flats at all, however having had two M's that came with non-runflats and a pump and a tin of fix-o-flat I had no fear switching out to non-runflats when treadwear required replacement and put on a lot of miles with non-run flats without a problem. The M's had 35 and 40 aspect tires and I hit plenty of pot holes in the northeast and never a bubble. The 2 others that originally had runflats that I switched to non runflat never had a bubbling problem or a need to replace outside of regular treadwear. With my 2014 535d I had two bubbles on the fronts in somewhere under 1,500 miles - it was a carwash guy that pointed them out to me as I hadn't hit anything that caused me to feel the need to check and a week later one of the bubbles has turned into a rip - but still full pressure in both tires. BMW had only one thing to say "that'll be $900". Having discovered this lovely thread, I refused on principle to put the same tires on a less than one month old car that would almost certainly have to be replaced again inside a month.

I went the Costco option. AS/3's, up to a 45 aspect ratio (pic posted earlier in the thread) which I calculated is a few millimeters smaller diameter than the 20" wheel option BMW offers for the 5. The car is transformed. Much smoother ride, handling just as good and in 2,500 miles no bubbles... and the AS/3's rock in the snow for a RWD car!
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"i spoke to a few tire guys. here is what most of them agreed on.
they told me traditional tires on this car will bubble at the same rate as runflats.
in fact they said the runflats have stronger sidewalls.
they dont advise deviating from the original size 245 40 19."

IMHO, this is a crock. This is my 3rd BMW product that came with OEM run flats and the first two cars never had a problem with the run flats at all, however having had two M's that came with non-runflats and a pump and a tin of fix-o-flat I had no fear switching out to non-runflats when treadwear required replacement and put on a lot of miles with non-run flats without a problem. The M's had 35 and 40 aspect tires and I hit plenty of pot holes in the northeast and never a bubble. The 2 others that originally had runflats that I switched to non runflat never had a bubbling problem or a need to replace outside of regular treadwear. With my 2014 535d I had two bubbles on the fronts in somewhere under 1,500 miles - it was a carwash guy that pointed them out to me as I hadn't hit anything that caused me to feel the need to check and a week later one of the bubbles had turned into a rip - but still full pressure in both tires. BMW had only one thing to say "that'll be $900". Having discovered this lovely thread, I refused on principle to put the same tires on a less than one month old car that would almost certainly have to be replaced again inside a month. It is the 19" GY's that are the problem, not run flats in general, that particular make, model and size of tire has a fundamental weakness where the sidewall meets the bead that actually mounts to the wheel.

I went the Costco option. AS/3's, up to a 45 aspect ratio (pic posted earlier in the thread) which I calculated is a few millimeters smaller diameter than the 20" wheel option BMW offers for the 5. The car is transformed. Much smoother ride, handling just as good and in 2,500 miles no bubbles... and the AS/3's rock in the snow for a RWD car!

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"i spoke to a few tire guys. here is what most of them agreed on.
they told me traditional tires on this car will bubble at the same rate as runflats.
in fact they said the runflats have stronger sidewalls.
they dont advise deviating from the original size 245 40 19."

IMHO, this is a crock. This is my 3rd BMW product that came with OEM run flats and the first two cars never had a problem with the run flats at all, however having had two M's that came with non-runflats and a pump and a tin of fix-o-flat I had no fear switching out to non-runflats when treadwear required replacement and put on a lot of miles with non-run flats without a problem. The M's had 35 and 40 aspect tires and I hit plenty of pot holes in the northeast and never a bubble. The 2 others that originally had runflats that I switched to non runflat never had a bubbling problem or a need to replace outside of regular treadwear. With my 2014 535d I had two bubbles on the fronts in somewhere under 1,500 miles - it was a carwash guy that pointed them out to me as I hadn't hit anything that caused me to feel the need to check and a week later one of the bubbles had turned into a rip - but still full pressure in both tires. BMW had only one thing to say "that'll be $900". Having discovered this lovely thread, I refused on principle to put the same tires on a less than one month old car that would almost certainly have to be replaced again inside a month. It is the 19" GY's that are the problem, not run flats in general, that particular make, model and size of tire has a fundamental weakness where the sidewall meets the bead that actually mounts to the wheel.

I went the Costco option. AS/3's, up to a 45 aspect ratio (pic posted earlier in the thread) which I calculated is a few millimeters smaller diameter than the 20" wheel option BMW offers for the 5. The car is transformed. Much smoother ride, handling just as good and in 2,500 miles no bubbles... and the AS/3's rock in the snow for a RWD car!
This is not true, all people who exchange them for non run flats never complained again, at least we didn't hear anybody replaced his tires with Michelin AS3 or Conti complained about having bubbles.
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That's what I mean. Other tires won't bubble as claimed - frankly I don't think run flats of the same size would either, the issue is that make, model & size of GY has a design flaw
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That's what I mean. Other tires won't bubble as claimed - frankly I don't think run flats of the same size would either, the issue is that make, model & size of GY has a design flaw
Agree 100%. First 6 months with my 2011 535i I had 5 bubbles and 1 blowout on the Goodyear Eagle LS2. Switched to Pirelli P Zero RFT and had NO issues the remaining 2 and half years of my lease.

Just picked up my new 2014 and put Bridgestone RE960AS RFT. We'll see how the car fares with these.
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Agree 100%. First 6 months with my 2011 535i I had 5 bubbles and 1 blowout on the Goodyear Eagle LS2. Switched to Pirelli P Zero RFT and had NO issues the remaining 2 and half years of my lease.

Just picked up my new 2014 and put Bridgestone RE960AS RFT. We'll see how the car fares with these.
Thought there is no all season RFT tiers in the market for my 535xiM Sport except the LS2. (All Season 245 X 40 R19) the Bridgestone is a summer tire
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When I was shopping replacements Pirelli had RFT's in that size. However I went non-run flat out of preference. The first car I had with RFT's was transformed by switching to non when they wore out. The second didn't change the ride noticeably, but the 335d had so much torque it could light up the traction control through the first four gear changes on the OEM Conti RFT's - the 970a/s's didn't and the handling improved. Moving the 535d from the GY's to AS/3's has been transforming again, the ride is hugely improved, but I also moved to 45 aspects - tho not being RFTs the ride was softened too, I don't know if RFTs of that aspect would improve the ride any given the stiff sidewall required to be RFT.


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I've had conventional tires bubble. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 2. Two tires bubbled actually after major pothole hits.
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