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Old 03-13-2014, 03:07 PM
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You guys are getting too emotional. These injectors are new design and are built by a different company for BMW. BMW has nothing to do with the fact that some injectors are failing. They are however doing their part and replacing the injectors that failed. This is a problem on the V8's. It is not big enough to make a recall, which means only SOME are affected.

On forums people usually post all the bad things. You probably think you've seen 5000 threads about failed injectors, when in reality you've probably seen just a few. Think about it, do you think some random guy who has a 2011 550i is just gonna go on this forum and make a thread stating how well his fuel injectors work?

Damn people do nothing but complain these days over the smallest ish.
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You guys are getting too emotional. These injectors are new design and are built by a different company for BMW. BMW has nothing to do with the fact that some injectors are failing. They are however doing their part and replacing the injectors that failed. This is a problem on the V8's. It is not big enough to make a recall, which means only SOME are affected.

On forums people usually post all the bad things. You probably think you've seen 5000 threads about failed injectors, when in reality you've probably seen just a few. Think about it, do you think some random guy who has a 2011 550i is just gonna go on this forum and make a thread stating how well his fuel injectors work?

Damn people do nothing but complain these days over the smallest ish.
I sympathise with you.
But calm down, on this forum the complainers are the righteous ones.
Do not dare to go against them, you will be called a fanboy.
And something about kool aid I do not understand.
And do not get personal in the slightest way especially in a negative form.
You will atract unwanted attention to yourself.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:22 PM
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You guys are getting too emotional. These injectors are new design and are built by a different company for BMW. BMW has nothing to do with the fact that some injectors are failing. They are however doing their part and replacing the injectors that failed. This is a problem on the V8's. It is not big enough to make a recall, which means only SOME are affected.

On forums people usually post all the bad things. You probably think you've seen 5000 threads about failed injectors, when in reality you've probably seen just a few. Think about it, do you think some random guy who has a 2011 550i is just gonna go on this forum and make a thread stating how well his fuel injectors work?

Damn people do nothing but complain these days over the smallest ish.
Hmmm I thought that's what forums were for....to reach out and talk to others who have had the same issue and those who have had nothing but pleasuer with their cars. And that was the whole point of this thread is to see how many of those on here have not had any issues. I'm assuming you're one of them? How many miles do you have? I'm glad you're enjoying your 550i without any problems. And BTW, I don't care if NASA builds them for BMW or if it is made in China, they have to stand behind their final product and the name BMW should mean something.

Thanks for the input and I think you're right on a few levels! Out of all the 550i's that were built, I'm sure it's not a majority that have issues...only a few (I hope)
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I sympathise with you.
But calm down, on this forum the complainers are the righteous ones.
Do not dare to go against them, you will be called a fanboy.
And something about kool aid I do not understand.
And do not get personal in the slightest way especially in a negative form.
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lol kool aid
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:48 PM
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I do agree - people get bent out of shape when something goes wrong - I do too, to a certain extent. It's how the manufacturer handles the situation that makes all the difference. On my last car, both Porsche NA and my dealer were unwilling to work with me to resolve a number of issues on my Panamera 4S. I posted about it, I was very angry about it -and even found a number of folks in a similar situation (same complaints, same response from PCNA). Of the 45 days my car was in the shop, I was never offered a loaner. I finally got fed up with the car, the dealer and the brand and walked.

BMW, to their credit does seem different. I haven't had to have any service done yet on my 550. My dealer tells me I can pretty much show up unannounced (except on Saturday's), drop the car off, get a loaner and be on my way. If I end up having an injector problem with my 550, this is exactly what I'll do. If they make it right and I get many more trouble free years out of the car - who cares. These are machines, designed by man, mostly built by robots. They're not perfect - but so long as the company and dealer network stand behind the product - be happy!
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I do agree - people get bent out of shape when something goes wrong - I do too, to a certain extent. It's how the manufacturer handles the situation that makes all the difference. On my last car, both Porsche NA and my dealer were unwilling to work with me to resolve a number of issues on my Panamera 4S. I posted about it, I was very angry about it -and even found a number of folks in a similar situation (same complaints, same response from PCNA). Of the 45 days my car was in the shop, I was never offered a loaner. I finally got fed up with the car, the dealer and the brand and walked.

BMW, to their credit does seem different. I haven't had to have any service done yet on my 550. My dealer tells me I can pretty much show up unannounced (except on Saturday's), drop the car off, get a loaner and be on my way. If I end up having an injector problem with my 550, this is exactly what I'll do. If they make it right and I get many more trouble free years out of the car - who cares. These are machines, designed by man, mostly built by robots. They're not perfect - but so long as the company and dealer network stand behind the product - be happy!
Could not have put it better myself! Thanks
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Over the past six years I have been a regular for a couple of years at a time on both the Lexus GS and Cadillac CTS forum and never saw a post about a problem. But I see posts here quite frequently.
So what is unique about BMW DI system vs the Japanese makes that leads to these issues?
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I do agree - people get bent out of shape when something goes wrong - I do too, to a certain extent. It's how the manufacturer handles the situation that makes all the difference. On my last car, both Porsche NA and my dealer were unwilling to work with me to resolve a number of issues on my Panamera 4S. I posted about it, I was very angry about it -and even found a number of folks in a similar situation (same complaints, same response from PCNA). Of the 45 days my car was in the shop, I was never offered a loaner. I finally got fed up with the car, the dealer and the brand and walked.

BMW, to their credit does seem different. I haven't had to have any service done yet on my 550. My dealer tells me I can pretty much show up unannounced (except on Saturday's), drop the car off, get a loaner and be on my way. If I end up having an injector problem with my 550, this is exactly what I'll do. If they make it right and I get many more trouble free years out of the car - who cares. These are machines, designed by man, mostly built by robots. They're not perfect - but so long as the company and dealer network stand behind the product - be happy!
Happy to hear your positive experience however, this forum was created to help people out with their issues, ask questions and talk about their experiences (positive or not).

I don't agree with you, who cares about the manufacturer of the injectors.. All what I care about is I bought a product from BMW not from Bosch. As mentioned by another member here even if NASA makes them it's BMWs responsibility to provide a reliable end product.

Here in NJ the service center appointment is at least 10-14 days if you require a loaner, if not then maybe a week.

Example: The problems we are getting with the Goodyear LS2 run flat where 2 tires needs to be replaced every year is BMWs responsibility!! They had to move to a more reliable brand/tire To ensure customer satisfaction. They insist on having this tire on their car and don't give the customer a choice... Also they don't offer any coverage or force Goodyear to honor the tire warranty! Do you still call this car the Ultimate Dricing Machiene? My brother changed his mind after he saw my both front tires having bubbles at 3500 miles only!! BMW and Goodyear tell me it's my fault and the tire is very reliable!! He is going with another brand as he drive 35 miles a day to Westchester and the roads here are not perfect, he said he don't want to drive and think about the tires and potholes all the time..After too many people replaced their tiers Goodyear stopped honoring the replacements ... I know it's a different topic but it's a good example, BMW overall experience is good but not great.. Without emotions that's the truth!

I see a lot of people here attack anybody who talks negatively about the brand, this is also wrong. If everything is good with my car and I don't need any help then I don't need to be here.... it's a waste of time to talk about how good my F10 is, I am not a professional editor anyway.
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:39 AM
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Your brother maybe read a thread of me from 2011.
He acts exactly as I proposed.
Do not buy the F10 with those dreadfull tires.

If every potential BMW client would act like your brother the problem would be solved.

The only thing we miss after that is a cavity in the trunk for a spare, with the same attitude that seems solvable too.....
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Your brother maybe read a thread of me from 2011.
He acts exactly as I proposed.
Do not buy the F10 with those dreadfull tires.

If every potential BMW client would act like your brother the problem would be solved.

The only thing we miss after that is a cavity in the trunk for a spare, with the same attitude that seems solvable too.....
Your comments are always weird and I don't understand them... Not sure what do you mean by'We'? Do you represent somebody here? Not sure if you get those tires in Europe? If not then you don't need to respond to this thread
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Happy to hear your positive experience however, this forum was created to help people out with their issues, ask questions and talk about their experiences (positive or not).

I don't agree with you, who cares about the manufacturer of the injectors.. All what I care about is I bought a product from BMW not from Bosch. As mentioned by another member here even if NASA makes them it's BMWs responsibility to provide a reliable end product.

Here in NJ the service center appointment is at least 10-14 days if you require a loaner, if not then maybe a week.

Example: The problems we are getting with the Goodyear LS2 run flat where 2 tires needs to be replaced every year is BMWs responsibility!! They had to move to a more reliable brand/tire To ensure customer satisfaction. They insist on having this tire on their car and don't give the customer a choice... Also they don't offer any coverage or force Goodyear to honor the tire warranty! Do you still call this car the Ultimate Dricing Machiene? My brother changed his mind after he saw my both front tires having bubbles at 3500 miles only!! BMW and Goodyear tell me it's my fault and the tire is very reliable!! He is going with another brand as he drive 35 miles a day to Westchester and the roads here are not perfect, he said he don't want to drive and think about the tires and potholes all the time..After too many people replaced their tiers Goodyear stopped honoring the replacements ... I know it's a different topic but it's a good example, BMW overall experience is good but not great.. Without emotions that's the truth!

I see a lot of people here attack anybody who talks negatively about the brand, this is also wrong. If everything is good with my car and I don't need any help then I don't need to be here.... it's a waste of time to talk about how good my F10 is, I am not a professional editor anyway.
You're right. The car should be reliable and my point was that it seems like if the injector issue pops up, BMW is willing to stand behind the product and make it right. If you want to play the - this car is expensive, it should be right game, I'll run you thru my experience with a 2010 Porsche Panamera 4S that has an MSRP significantly higher than these cars. Definitely no better.

As far as the tire issue - I'm not saying the good year tires are great (though I personally don't have a problem with them). Blowouts and bubbles are a fact of life on any super low profile tire. Go read the Porsche forum's - anyone with 20's on their panamera is at risk (and plenty of stories of blowouts). You've got a 4k pound car and an extremely short sidewall which just can't take the impact. And on the Porsche - not even runflat tires. Just some fix-a-flat and an air pump.

If you don't want to deal with blowouts/bubbles, put some 17's or maybe 18's on the car and start learning to read the road ahead and AVOID the potholes, not plow thru them.
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Thanks! Did you do the intake cleaning when they replaced the 8 injectors?
No, the dealer just changed the injectors. If the problem were to arise again, I'd have the intake cleaned.
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Interesting I drive a 535i and have had issues, needed replacing
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Your comments are always weird and I don't understand them... Not sure what do you mean by'We'? Do you represent somebody here? Not sure if you get those tires in Europe? If not then you don't need to respond to this thread
No I do not represent anybody else.
All F10/11 owners miss a cavity in the trunk for a spare, it simply ain't there.
Iff you buy the car not with the dreadfull RFT, I mean you buy the car but NOT with those but with different tires you specifically order, that problem seems sorted out.

And look who is calling who weird....
Different, but that is a good thing.



So you go to a dealer, buy a car, make one point a deal braker, the right tires fitted.
If not possible for whatever reason, you just walk out the door.

If all clients would do that....
Well, in 2013, BMW, sold 1.960.000 cars incl mini and rolls.
Made a net profit of euro 5.300.000.000
And all that while selling crappy tires to their US clients.
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No I do not represent anybody else.
All F10/11 owners miss a cavity in the trunk for a spare, it simply ain't there.
Iff you buy the car not with the dreadfull RFT, I mean you buy the car but NOT with those but with different tires you specifically order, that problem seems sorted out.

And look who is calling who weird....
Different, but that is a good thing.



So you go to a dealer, buy a car, make one point a deal braker, the right tires fitted.
If not possible for whatever reason, you just walk out the door.

If all clients would do that....
Well, in 2013, BMW, sold 1.960.000 cars incl mini and rolls.
Made a net profit of euro 5.300.000.000
And all that while selling crappy tires to their US clients.
We cant do that here, BMW doesnt offer any other all season tires for the XI models.. Evey if you do special order they will say no... only people who get RWD can different tires
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We cant do that here, BMW doesnt offer any other all season tires for the XI models.. Evey if you do special order they will say no... only people who get RWD can different tires
I think client is king. Do not buy without the tires you want on the car at delivery.
the; we can not get no....., It sounds very stale.
You get what you want.
Try it.

The last time I checked the German BMW configurator standard is a set of normal tires with a repair set. RFT is a rather expensive extra. Besides the type of tire, why do all the north east clients buy low profile tires, it really is a sorrow thread the first one of this BF forum.
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I think client is king. Do not buy without the tires you want on the car at delivery.
Hondas e can not get no....., It sounds very stale.
You get what you want.
Try it.

The last time I checked the German BMW configurator standard is a set of normal tires with a repair set. RFT is a rather expensive extra. Besides the type of tire, why do all the north east clients buy low profile tires, it really is a sorrow thread the first one of this BF forum.
Hey.. I hear you, but you dont live here.. I know my country, here the customer is not a king and we lease BMWs like Hondas.. everybody drive a BMW.. I mean too many. . Nobody can avoid the LS2. . I tried and others too..
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Hey.. I hear you, but you dont live here.. I know my country, here the customer is not a king and we lease BMWs like Hondas.. everybody drive a BMW.. I mean too many. . Nobody can avoid the LS2. . I tried and others too..
Luckily for you, BMW's are cheaper than elswhere in the world, so why not buy another set of wheels and tires? The starting thread of this forum is awkward in its repeat after repeat of a solvable (at least partly) problem. With proper non RF 18 inch 45 aspect tires on these cars this monstrum would be vanishing .
And are you sure when you challenge the CA by not signing the deal on a contract without him delivering you the desired set up he will not give in? Of course they make more money out of the LS2, but my proposed set up is quite cheaper than a 19inch LS2 set up. So why would he not switch?
From a distance this whole situation looks rather funny.

Trying to get back on topic, which also can be said for so much V8 powered cars that are sold in the US. What good is there in all those for the driving circumstances overpowered cars. City driving short distances with all that useless torque and power, with ethanol subpar fuel, where does all that soot come from you think? Of course the product should be reliable and fixed, but the inline six is as I believe BMW's finest, what need can there be for owning a never used to its possibilities V8 in a dense populated region, rather funny.

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Luckily for you, BMW's are cheaper than elswhere in the world, so why not buy another set of wheels and tires? The starting thread of this forum is awkward in its repeat after repeat of a solvable (at least partly) problem. With proper non RF 18 inch 45 aspect tires on these cars this monstrum would be vanishing .
And are you sure when you challenge the CA by not signing the deal on a contract without him delivering you the desired set up he will not give in? Of course they make more money out of the LS2, but my proposed set up is quite cheaper than a 19inch LS2 set up. So why would he not switch?
From a distance this whole situation looks rather funny.

Trying to get back on topic, which also can be said for so much V8 powered cars that are sold in the US. What good is there in all those for the driving circumstances overpowered cars. City driving short distances with all that useless torque and power, with ethanol subpar fuel, where does all that soot come from you think? Of course the product should be reliable and fixed, but the inline six is as I believe BMW's finest, what need can there be for owning a never used to its possibilities V8 in a dense populated region, rather funny.
You keep arguing, anyway my car is M Sport so it comes with 19 inch rims and each rim is $500.. so changing 4 rims and 4 tiers would be around $2000 or more. If you say why I got the M Sport my answer is because BMW eliminated the sport steering option on its cars and the only way to get the Napa Leather stitched steering wheel was to get the M Sport package. The standard steering is kind of thin, not very well padded, and has some sort of rough vinyl stitched material which doesn't feel right (for me it was a deal breaker).

As mentioned before you don't know how it goes here, I leased this car and has to return it after 3 years and BMW expect the car to be returned with 19 inch Run Flats which means I have to store the tires for 3 years and put them back before returning, I have an apartment and don't have space to store 4 19 inch tires..

Nothing is funny!! I believe your comments are funny.. this is a public BMW forum and everybody has the right to talk about his BMW issues, your comments are funny as you chime in every thread and tell people that their problem doesn't exist!! Also I find your comments irritating(My personal opinion from checking your other threads)

The guy has a problem and wanted to share it with others to verify, let him do his thing!!
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You keep arguing, anyway my car is M Sport so it comes with 19 inch rims and each rim is $500.. so changing 4 rims and 4 tiers would be around $2000 or more. If you say why I got the M Sport my answer is because BMW eliminated the sport steering option on its cars and the only way to get the Napa Leather stitched steering wheel was to get the M Sport package. The standard steering is kind of thin, not very well padded, and has some sort of rough vinyl stitched material which doesn't feel right (for me it was a deal breaker).

As mentioned before you don't know how it goes here, I leased this car and has to return it after 3 years and BMW expect the car to be returned with 19 inch Run Flats which means I have to store the tires for 3 years and put them back before returning, I have an apartment and don't have space to store 4 19 inch tires..

Nothing is funny!! I believe your comments are funny.. this is a public BMW forum and everybody has the right to talk about his BMW issues, your comments are funny as you chime in every thread and tell people that their problem doesn't exist!! Also I find your comments irritating(My personal opinion from checking your other threads)

The guy has a problem and wanted to share it with others to verify, let him do his thing!!
I agree there seem to be a lot of problems.
You might try to configure a BMW on the German site, just for having the experience.
It seems BMWNA makes it quite problematic to get the car you want to have, by all the packages that seem to be obligatory.
Why oh why 19 inch RFT in the pothole nightmare of the north east? Why no 704 on any car, about your steering wheel choice, you are totally right about that. Why should you not have the possibility to get any of the wheels on every sort of configured BMW?
The sole point I would like to make is that consumers should have some sort of influence over the products that are offered to them. The way it goes, as is demonstrated in these forums, I really think it is quite funny sometimes.
But than, maybe the BMW prices are just too low on your side of the pont to make a BMW heaven come through.

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I never had any problems with my 2011 550i. It was a great car,
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I never had any problems with my 2011 550i. It was a great car,
Of course not, neither do I with my 2011 F11.
There seems to be a certain type of owner always encountering problems and discussing lemon situations.
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I had no injector issues for the 37kmi before I traded my 2011 550xi. I've had my 650xi for 13 months now and I haven't even been back to the dealer since I took redelivery.
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I certainly admit that many people have not had injector issues. That said, going back 4 times to the dealer within 12k miles and 3 times within 400 miles for "drivetrain malfunction" errors (2 bad injectors, 1 bad coil, and one they are looking into now), can leave a person very frustrated. I use high quality gas, I don't abuse the motor, and this *&*( happens anyway. I would say that anyone who had had to go have their car serviced 3 times within a month and 4 times in 3 months has a right to complain and not be labeled as being "too sensitive". We buy our cars and expect them to work. At this point, I am so frustrated with BMW I am seriously looking at trying to get them to buy back the car if they can't fix the issue permanently. I've never had this many issues with even older cars, much less a new one. I've never had to go back 3 times to get something fixed and only once did I have to go back twice...and that time it was the mechanic that screwed up and they acknowledged it....but with this car, I'm on attempt number 4.

If something happens with a car like an injector issue, I have no problems with it so long as they get it fixed right the first time. It is when it continues to happen to them over and over again that people get frustrated and IMHO, they are justified in being upset.
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I certainly admit that many people have not had injector issues. That said, going back 4 times to the dealer within 12k miles and 3 times within 400 miles for "drivetrain malfunction" errors (2 bad injectors, 1 bad coil, and one they are looking into now), can leave a person very frustrated. I use high quality gas, I don't abuse the motor, and this *&*( happens anyway. I would say that anyone who had had to go have their car serviced 3 times within a month and 4 times in 3 months has a right to complain and not be labeled as being "too sensitive". We buy our cars and expect them to work. At this point, I am so frustrated with BMW I am seriously looking at trying to get them to buy back the car if they can't fix the issue permanently. I've never had this many issues with even older cars, much less a new one. I've never had to go back 3 times to get something fixed and only once did I have to go back twice...and that time it was the mechanic that screwed up and they acknowledged it....but with this car, I'm on attempt number 4.

If something happens with a car like an injector issue, I have no problems with it so long as they get it fixed right the first time. It is when it continues to happen to them over and over again that people get frustrated and IMHO, they are justified in being upset.
I hear you and you are 100% right! don't listen to BMW fanboys... As long as you have an issue you have the right to talk about it.

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