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Old 05-16-2014, 07:14 AM
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Question Manual 6-speed owners - what issues/maint have you had?

Considering buying a new 4 series 6-speed or a 2011 M3 6-speed. The true sticks have become so hard to find. But I want to get one before they become completely extinct.

So, for owners who have had 6-speed cars, what problems have you faced? How long does the stock clutch last? Is it different on the 3 series vs. the M3? Other than the clutch (and bearing and throw-out plate, etc.), what else can and has gone wrong with a manual clutch?
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:03 AM
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Depends on how much you abuse it.

Depends on how much you abuse it.
The clutch on about every car I have kept long
enough to have the clutch changed due to wear
was about 125k to 150k. I got 150 k on a INtegra the first time
and 50k the second time but I am attributing the second
time to bad parts and questionable install since my driving
habits didn't change. I have over 250k on the tranmission
on this same car without issues.
Taking the cdv restrict-or out on the cars that have it is
suppose to extend clutch life and it does extend joy.
A clutch isn't that complicated a device .
If you are burning rubber constantly and sipping the clutch
you are not going to get as much mileage out of it.

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Old 05-16-2014, 09:20 AM
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No problems.

I strongly suggest installing an M-Sport perforated shift knob or E46 ZHP shift knob (if you buy a 4 series). I got the former in my E90 (non-M Sport), and it transformed my driving experience.

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Old 05-16-2014, 09:26 AM
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E9xM3 clutches have had very few issues. Unlike the E46M3, this unit is made by ZF. Searching here, I don't see a lot of MT issues aside from just training or re-training issues in shifting technique.
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No issues, so far. It seems a great MT. N4S
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:47 AM
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Wow, that's incredible! I mean, the weakest points usually in between a strong engine and good tires are the clutch and rear-end. For a car with this much torque, I'm surprised there are no major issues. Says a lot about good German engineering.
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:51 AM
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Considering buying a new 4 series 6-speed or a 2011 M3 6-speed. The true sticks have become so hard to find. But I want to get one before they become completely extinct.

So, for owners who have had 6-speed cars, what problems have you faced? How long does the stock clutch last? Is it different on the 3 series vs. the M3? Other than the clutch (and bearing and throw-out plate, etc.), what else can and has gone wrong with a manual clutch?

How long? Thank God It's Friday!
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:53 AM
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I'm looking at a 2011 vert M3 tomorrow morning and will also drive a 2013 Estoril blue 335i w M-sport package for about 5 grand cheaper. If the 335 is even 80% of the fun of the M3, it's going to be a hard choice.

- Fred
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:05 AM
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Considering buying a new 4 series 6-speed or a 2011 M3 6-speed. The true sticks have become so hard to find. But I want to get one before they become completely extinct.

So, for owners who have had 6-speed cars, what problems have you faced? How long does the stock clutch last? Is it different on the 3 series vs. the M3? Other than the clutch (and bearing and throw-out plate, etc.), what else can and has gone wrong with a manual clutch?
I have 203K on my Volvo's clutch and transmission. I doubt the BMW's clutch will last that long because of the clutch delay valve. But I doubt that I will keep it as long as the Volvo. I have had few mechanical issues with the BMW -- the most annoying problems have been of the electrical poltergeist variety.

I doubt MTs will go completely extinct. Maybe in the near luxury near sporty market segment, but MTs will continue to make the most sense on the very light and the very heavy ends of the vehicle spectrum. The high-tech manumatics are costly, can't be justified in a $17k econocar and probably wouldn't work well in heavy equipment either.
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:12 AM
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Electric car pretty much means no transmission

Electric car pretty much means no transmission at all.
Also change you manual fluid once in awhile 60k is a pretty good
Interval.

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Old 05-16-2014, 11:45 AM
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:21 PM
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Electric car pretty much means no transmission at all.
Also change you manual fluid once in awhile 60k is a pretty good
Interval.

Ain't it a cryin' shame? I know of at least one Tesla available 'cause owner was stranded, out of juice.

The truth is, there's nothing better than 4 wheels as motors - cures all ills! Too bad & too sad energy density ain't reached crital mass.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:28 PM
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It can only take about 450wheel ft/lbs of torque until the pressure plate can't keep up.

That's all I got.
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Our Volvo (taught all 3 daughters to drive stick) is still original after 350k. The e90 is at 58k with no issues. Our original order e91, the clutch was destroyed prior to delivery by the transporter when off loading. Anyone can abuse any clutch.
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Old 05-17-2014, 06:27 AM
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I'm looking at a 2011 vert M3 tomorrow morning and will also drive a 2013 Estoril blue 335i w M-sport package for about 5 grand cheaper. If the 335 is even 80% of the fun of the M3, it's going to be a hard choice.

M3 has massively better suspension + LSD - cost you more than $5k to install, 335i. OTOH, those M3 advantages have....how many miles on 'em?
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Old 05-17-2014, 08:21 AM
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Absolutely no issues with clutches or trannies.

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Old 05-18-2014, 07:01 PM
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108,000 miles on 2006 330xi and no issues.
Very cool!
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