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Old 08-14-2014, 05:18 AM
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Chugging at highway speeds; Master/ sticky thread

There are a LOT of people complaining about an inexplicable chugging or surging under light acceleration at highway speeds. I would like to keep the information contained, and in hopes that I can subscribe and someone will find a solution! The purpose of this thread is to gather people with the problem together to look at troubleshooting and hopeful resolution to this problem which is spreading quickly.
Post your ideas and subscribe!
***I'm going to try and keep this first post updated***
Things that have worked
New air filter : (RAG810)
DME Reflash worked for (Cchrono) -DME and EGS systems, but not for (Frenchx3)


Possible solution: Success? (users who have tried)

Spark plugs: NO (broken08, et al)
Pre-cat O2 sensors : No (broken08, Redbaron2500, et al)
Fuel additives : No (broken08, Frenchx3, et al)
Cam sensor : No (source?)
Transfer case actuator : No (Redbaron2500)
DME Reflash : NO (Frenchx3) : YES (Cchrono) -DME and EGS systems
Coil replacement : No (sources?)
Transmission fluid changes : NO (Frenchx3)
Transfer case fluid :no (Frenchx3)
Adaptation valves reset : No (Frenchx3)
Vanos seals : No (Redbaron2500)
CCV valve : unknown
fuel filter : uknown






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Old 08-14-2014, 02:09 PM
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Great idea. The chugging in our x3 seems to have disappeared for now at least. I think the car may have had a bad tank of gas.

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Old 08-14-2014, 06:30 PM
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Per my local independent dealer:
The two most common causes of this problem are, indeed, the need for re-flashing of the DME (a service you need to go to the BMW dealer for), or a compromised fuel pump and filter assembly.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:41 AM
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I spoke to soon. Chugging is back. :-(

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Old 08-17-2014, 10:56 AM
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I spoke to soon. Chugging is back. :-(

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You seem to have a good handle on mechanical issues & take care of them readily... have you ever replaced the fuel filter/pump in that car? Sounds like gas starvation to me.
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:31 PM
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Thanks jlex. Thats definitely a good suggestion. The only weird thing is this studder / chugging only occurs occasionally and only occurs at 2,800-3,000 rpms. Im assuming if it were a bad fuel pump I'd have chugging issues at all rpms. Very strange issue...

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Old 08-18-2014, 01:19 PM
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Maybe it's just a weak fuel pump or clogged filter that's ready to give out... just can't deliver enough gas at increased RPM's when it's being pushed but is okay at lower RPM's when the demand is low.
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Old 08-18-2014, 05:11 PM
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When I had the X3, I replaced the fuel filter at 150k km (93k mls) as a preventative maintenance item...and I also tend to do a lot of freeway driving. Never noticed any stuttering.
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:37 PM
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Maybe it's just a weak fuel pump or clogged filter that's ready to give out... just can't deliver enough gas at increased RPM's when it's being pushed but is okay at lower RPM's when the demand is low.
A fine thought, however at around 3/4 to full throttle it does just fine.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:23 AM
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I had the same problem. 04 X3 2.5 125k miles. The cause was the dirty engine Air Filter. Replaced it, problem solved.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:30 AM
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I had the same problem. 04 X3 2.5 125k miles. The cause was the dirty engine Air Filter. Replaced it, problem solved.
Well, that's worth a shot, probably time anyway. I'll do this later. But I'll be pissed if it's that simple!
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:29 PM
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this sneaky vac leaker can make a difference

this hole should be covered up .....they did in later models but loads of vehicles still suffer vac loss thru here in the dipstick

if you do a smoke test on the older x's etc you can often see smoke sneaking out of the rolled portion of the dipstick small flange against the crankcase shelf it sits on ....the o ring on the tube sits below this flange and does not seal the hole in the dipstick thus allowing a vac leak....smallish but has impact

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j...08829113752937

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Old 08-23-2014, 12:12 PM
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I just changed the air filter and looked through my records to see when it was last changed. I'm embarrassed to say it's been 60,000 miles! The old one was filthy. Absolutely caked. I'll see what difference this makes regarding the studdering and report back

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Old 08-23-2014, 08:21 PM
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Chugging is still present with the new air filter. Still needed to be changed. Hopefully my mpg will go up a little bit. Averaging 20 mpg currently.

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Old 08-24-2014, 08:01 PM
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MAF cleaned ????

maybe good to spray the MAF clean after finding a badly chocked air filter...????
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Old 08-25-2014, 06:16 AM
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injectors cleaned ???

we see lots of posts with high mileage chugging issues.....some are cured with the usual remedies but we never see posts on pulling/cleaning/re oringing their injectors.....anyone doing it ?????
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Old 08-25-2014, 09:06 AM
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transmission torque converter

Hi guys

this post from bavauto seems to outline the problem we're having.

http://blog.bavauto.com/11812/bmw-tr...verter-clutch/

if the torque converter in the transmission isn't functioning properly it could/would cause our symptoms. unfortunately, as far as I can tell, if a transmission fluid and filter change don't solve the issues, the only way to get to the torque converter is to remove the transmission from the car. the post does describe oily electrical connectors as a problem, so I'm going to clean mine up. they are filthy from an oil filter housing gasket leak.

also, I have cleaned MAF several times, no help for this.

As an aside - I am getting 2 mpg better after changing my spark plugs and rebuilding my vanos, so here's to small victories!
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Old 08-25-2014, 05:35 PM
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SwampX3 - I had the 2800-3000+ rpm chugging issue on my 2004 3.0 X3 auto and after taking many other actions I needed to eliminate the fuel injectors as the cause thinking maybe they were fine at lower fuel volumes but couldn't keep up when fuel demand was high. I removed the fuel rail and had them cleaned and checked for flow and they also put new tiny filter screens and o-rings on them and there was no change in chugging issue. In fact they said they were all working fine as soon as they put them on the flow meter before cleaning, etc. Unbelievably while doing all this I just happen to discover (long story) that my fuel rail had an extra 1cm x 1cm square end piece of the fuel rail rattling around inside of itself (!!!) A new fuel rail with cleaned injectors did not fix the problem. As mentioned in other threads I finally fixed the chugging by having local my BMW dealer zero out adaptation values and let engine and tranny relearn itself.

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Old 08-25-2014, 07:09 PM
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5 star learnings fast lane

great insights ending very well from fast lane....adaptations resets look like a very positive way to go

how much did it cost just for the reset ????
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:07 PM
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swampX3 - Actually I had them read out all codes with their BMW dealer equipment (I just have a Peake code reader) for $80 (they didn't find anything of importance) and while hooked up they zeroed out the adaptation values. The car chugged on the 30 mile drive to the dealership and ran like new on the way home!

There was about 115k miles on the car at the time. I noticed I didn't include milage in earlier post.

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Old 08-26-2014, 07:14 PM
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80 bucks well spent !

can't even get a night out in the swamp for 80 bucks !.....a great low cost removal of the chugging beasty from Fast Lane....let's all reset adaptations
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Anyone know if the Adaptive Transmission Reset procedure can be done on the M54 engines / older BMWs?

Procedure is something like:
1.) Turn key to position 2 ( don't start vehicle)
2.) Hold gas pedal down for 30 seconds

Supposedly this resets the transmission learning procedure and starts at zero again.
I may try it later today.



If all else fails I'll plan on a trip to the dealer for the DME reset.
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Some additional reading.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=411543
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=261285
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=650787
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:22 AM
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yes on 30 sec reset

yes to your question on whether the 30 second reset applies to older x's .....BUT .....ALSO .....the whole adaptation reset at the dealer or the Indy with the correct software (double check any Indy ....they don't all have the correct analyzer/software) does much more .....such as transfer case values/factory updates etc etc....much of which will be proprietary
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No noticeable change after the 30 second reset. Looks like I may be calling the dealer tomorrow. I called an Indy that I trust and he recommended the dealer for the factory updates etc. Just out of curiosity, Im leaving the battery disconnected overnight. Not expecting it to make a difference though.

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