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F80/F82/F83 M3 and M4 (2015 - Current)
F80 BMW M3 sedan, F82 BMW M4 coupe and F83 M4 convertible forum. This 5th generation M3 and all new M4 features a 3.0 liter twin turbo engine (engine code S55) 425hp and 406lbs of torque! Heavy use of light weight materials makes this generation lighter and faster then the outgoing E9x M3.

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Old 01-19-2017, 12:19 PM
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all the Ms have 2 turbos. All the none M's, well since the N54 was retired, are singles

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The M2's tricked out N55 has a single, but twin-scroll turbocharger.

The N55 and S55 engine share about 70% of their parts.
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There's a second turbocharger to fail. Also, parts move so fast in the DCT's that something's more likely to let go there than in a manual or conventional automatic transmission. I don't think there's such a thing as fixing a DCT. You just have to buy a new one instead. I broke a DCT on an low-mileage M5 once... not mine, though... which was a real good thing.

Going from a Honda Civic to an M3. That's awesome. I went from a Nissan Sentra to one, and it was mind boggling. If you can really afford a new M3... enjoy. You'll be jaded about anything less than another M for the rest of your days, though.
This is the most true statement I've seen on the boards in a while. I miss my E90 everyday. Am counting the days when i can get back into an M car.
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I didn't know M3 has two turbos, I thought everything becomes twin swirl or twin power or something since then. But no complains when I test drove N55, so whatever works.


The S55 has two twin scroll turbos.


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I'm not exceptionally knowledgeable on this topic, but judging by the long term services for E90Ms, 70k miles plus, you may want to budget for a "service/maintenance" savings plan beyond factory services. I went into this with my eyes wide open as far as long term costs.


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Exactly. I spent more than $6k over 2.5 years and 23k miles after my E90 M3 was out of warranty, not including the full cost of throttle actuator failure repair (mostly comped by the dealer) or rod bearing replacement (not required, but on my radar for long-term ownership). That would have brought the total closer to $10k. F80's will have different failure modes, but I'd assume minimum $3k+ per year maintenance after warranty. It could be less but better to plan for higher cost. BTW, I don't own that car anymore...traded for F30 340i.

And to the earlier comment, it's impossible to drive an M3/4 like a grandma. And pointless too.

Also the E-steering thing is so overstated. Is there less steering feel in the F8x vs E9x M? Yes, marginally. But there was less feel and accuracy in my E90 M3 steering than my E46 ZHP but it didn't keep me from buying the M3 and owning over 6 years.
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Good on Nissan for selling parts for their DCT. BMW, not so much. Actually, BMW didn't even sell parts for the manual transmission in my E46 M3.

But, there's a theory that when something lets go inside a transmission or engine that the pieces of the failed part bounce around and cause secondary damage, and the engine or transmission is therefore not repairable.

E46 M3 engines had connecting rod bearing problems, and the bearings were replaced under recall on the early engines. If they found bearing damage during the recall they replaced the whole engine, because of the potential for secondary damage.
I'm not debating on how easy it is to acquire parts... And most of my references were in regards to aftermarket parts from other manufactures. I would only be speculating if I said you could for instance order a first gear or 5th gear from Nissan, but you surely can find many companies willing to sell them. I.e. dodson, PPG [mine], Albins... At least for a GTR

Aside from the dud transmissions, like my friends e92 m3 where at 6k miles the thing just died, they are VERY stout and yes there is more going on, but they are in no way shape or form comparable to anything BMWs ever done. One needs to look no further than the abuse the e90/92 era first gen DCTS took from owners. And the things you hear about by and large are NOT transmission issues its rod bearings or engine problems.
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