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F22 / F23 2 Series (2014 - Current)
The 2 Series coupe is the replacement for the E82/E88 1 series coupe. Production starts in November 2013 on the 228i (N20) and M235i (N55) coupes. Look for them in dealerships in February 2014. The convertible F23 2 series will follow in the fall of 2014.

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Old 01-23-2017, 09:30 AM
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no, you just cant start it when you switch off the engine

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Related question. If a car thief uses an RFID signal amplification device to start your vehicle, does the vehicle stop running when it is out of range of the key fob/amplification device?
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Old 01-23-2017, 09:34 AM
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I've found a way round this, it is 100% un hackable

1 remove car battery
2 remove 2 spark plugs
3 move seat all the way forward (remove seat fuse)
4 deflate 3 tires
5 remove rear rim and place a jack on it
6 place a clamp on front wheel
7 Place a Justin Bieber CD in and code for iDRive to come on at full blast.

this screws me for shirt trips, otherwise works for me

although I think for 7, you may be held responsible in court for aggravated assault

HTH
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Old 01-23-2017, 09:48 AM
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300 feet from the key. The condo building I live in is 14 stories tall with parking on floors 1-4. According to building management, thieves were able to use an RFID amplification device to open 2 cars.
And just how is anyone to know how this was done? Someone was monitoring the airwaves? Video of someone in an apartment doing it? My guess is it was pure speculation. Building management can determine after the fact that an RFID amp was used? BS!
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:27 AM
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And just how is anyone to know how this was done? Someone was monitoring the airwaves? Video of someone in an apartment doing it? My guess is it was pure speculation. Building management can determine after the fact that an RFID amp was used? BS!
Cars were locked but items were stolen. No evidence of forced entry. RFID amplification devices exist. It is a plausible explanation. Building management has cautioned condo residents about leaving items visible in vehicle interiors.
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:07 AM
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Cars were locked but items were stolen. No evidence of forced entry. RFID amplification devices exist. It is a plausible explanation. Building management has cautioned condo residents about leaving items visible in vehicle interiors.
Another plausible explanation is that the thieves were in the garage and captured the signal when the people locked their car, and then used it to unlock the car.
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Old 01-25-2017, 09:29 AM
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Even more plausible explanation, out of, lets say, 100 cars in the 4 story parking area 2 cars were not locked, even though their owners swear they locked them!
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Old 01-25-2017, 03:17 PM
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Getting back to my original question -- Are 228is with keyless entry susceptible to RFID signal amplification break-ins?
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:30 PM
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Personally I think one should ask that question directly to BMW-USA.No one on this or any other BMW Forum will have a trustworthy answer in my humble opinion.
In the meantime use Reynolds wrap.Just saying.
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Old 01-25-2017, 08:19 PM
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Personally I think one should ask that question directly to BMW-USA.No one on this or any other BMW Forum will have a trustworthy answer in my humble opinion.
In the meantime use Reynolds wrap.Just saying.
I checked with the local BMW dealer. They did not know (or would not say). They also do not sell RFID signal blocking pouches as an accessory. For now, I'm keeping my spare key fob in an Altoids tin. The other fob in the microwave.
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:03 AM
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That shouldnt work, most alarms now have anti-grab technology, meaning the code isn't replicated

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Another plausible explanation is that the thieves were in the garage and captured the signal when the people locked their car, and then used it to unlock the car.
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:30 AM
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Due to rolling codes, a simple replay of a opening code will not work. Car will notice that code was used already and deny it.

There exists an attack, where one can steal an unused code, and later replay it.
"Jam intercept and replay" they call it.
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:40 AM
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What is code-grabbing?

Your existing garage door remote control transmits the same digital code every
time you press the button. So thieves now use a code-grabber, a device that
literally records, from hundreds of feet away, the code sent by your garage door
transmitter. When you have left, they just use the code-grabber to retransmit the
code and activate your garage door opener.

Thieves have been using this same code-grabbing technology to disarm car
alarms. So Clifford Electronics, the world leader in auto security technology,
developed Anti-CodeGrabbing: ACG. Clifford’s ACG remote controls NEVER
transmit the same code twice. Each time you use your Clifford ACG remote
control, it randomly changes the code.

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That shouldnt work, most alarms now have anti-grab technology, meaning the code isn't replicated
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Old 01-30-2017, 03:45 PM
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Listed under standard features under the category safety and security is "Coded Driveaway Protection", which was explained to me by the BMW salesman as the key fob changes codes randomly every time it is used to prevent the code from getting captured and used later by thieves and other undesirables.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:16 PM
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Listed under standard features under the category safety and security is "Coded Driveaway Protection", which was explained to me by the BMW salesman as the key fob changes codes randomly every time it is used to prevent the code from getting captured and used later by thieves and other undesirables.
Thank you, sir!
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